First hand at the table, I post between the button and SB. Live 20/40.

One limper (unknown) and laggy guy (I have past experience with) raises the button. I three-bet A K, SB folds, prop in the big blind caps it. I played maybe 10 hands with him at another table and he certainly didn't seem loose or overly aggro.

Everyone calls. 4 players and 16 small bets

457r (and no clubs....)

I check, prop bets, we all call.

4 players, 10 big bets

4578r (one club now...yay)

I check, prop bets, limper folds, button calls....I fold getting 12:1. Do I have to chuck in 40 more bucks to draw at 6 dirty outs that might not even win the whole pot, or is a fold here standard?

standard for me imo, esp bc you make it sound like the prop is not really going to be getting out of line pf here. the board is terrible and we could be drawing to 0 or 3 outs to begin with.

MUST we call the flop v. 3 opponents one of whom likely has a big pair and we don't know what it is and even if we spike a K or A we are maybe NG and there is a card to come?

Edit to add: I don't call the turn even w/ my ex-mother-in-law's money.

Absolutely.

Turn fold is fine IMO.

On the flop call....I don't think i've ever folded two overs getting 19:1 closing the action, but if there were a time for such a fold this would be it.

Thanks guys...felt dirty to fold getting such a huge price and closing the action again, but i figured there was no way I had four outs on average. Then I did this:

QQ = 6 combos
KK = 3 combos
AA = 3 combos

Let's say that's the prop's whole range.....

1/2 the time I have 6 outs
1/4 the time I have 3 outs
1/4 the time I have zero outs

This equates to 3.75 expected outs, and the pot is laying me 12:1, so in theory I might have odds. The problem is that the laggy player has an ace like always (removing one of my outs) and AK like a freaking lot...and that pushes it to a fold imo.

Preflop Whats he capping with? AA-1010 Ak-AQ.

On the flop why not check raise to find out where you are at. You might get 1 other to fold. Also it would be now 12BBs

On the turn I am more concerned about the limper cold calling all these raises on such a co-ordinated flop.
I would check, call the Prop player. fold if the limper reraised.

I would call one BB on the river if I hit the A or K, your pot odds would be 14 to 1 with the reraise I would have put in after the flop.

No chance he caps AQo, and he probably doesn't cap even TT.

The limper folded on the turn before it was my turn to act.

If I wanted to find out where I was at, wouldn't it bet better to bet and let him raise me, facing the other two with at least calling 2 cold and the fear of a 3-bet and cap, rather than check raise and let them call one bet first?

I'm confident in my fold here now.

Like others have said fold on the turn.