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02-14-2012 , 12:34 AM
4 handed:

utg (very loose/aggro and spewy)
hero (TAG image)
i was dealt Kc,Ks on the button.

UTG raises, i 3 bet from the button, sb fold, bb fold, utg 4 bets, i flat..

i put her range at A x, plus some middle pp's ( i saw her earlier in the session just flat a 3 bet with KK and AA)

flop

10h,8h,4h

utg donk bets, i raise, utg flats

turn: 7h

utg bets, i call

(side note: she was starring me down the whole time tying to intimidate me,putting in her chips rapidly and slamming them down)

river: 2c

utg bets, i call

she tables Ac 10c

obviously i won the pot with KK (no heart)

my question is should i have raised the river with the 2 of clubs being a total brick since i didnt think she had a heart?
02-14-2012 , 01:09 AM
That's your question?
02-14-2012 , 01:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbo
That's your question?
always love a hilarious op

always love a gobbo post in mslh

always love a great first response to a hilarious op and given it's a gobbo post to, i declare LINNING!!

very well done gobbo.
02-14-2012 , 02:32 AM
Ummm.. if you want good advice on a decision, don't show the results. That way, we'll give advice on how we'd play with the info available to you at the time of the decision.

Anyhow, here's an attempt:

Honestly, the 2 obvious possibilities on the turn are "I am showdown bound so I cam calling no matter what happens on the river" or "JFC, villain must have frush, I fold". Villain is like never folding a frush to a raise, so bluffing here is dumb.

But raising the river? I mean, is your plan to raise / fold? If so, I guess good for you on the aggression, but honestly, if no better hand can fold to a raise (maybe lol T8 2 pairs), and no worse hand can call, both of which seem roughly true here, then the raise is just pure spew.

So... given that villain is roughly 50/50 a priori to have a in their hand, if I assume they'll bluff 100% of these spots, I call down. If I assume they never bluff, I fold. In the middle, well I'll let you do the math on what fraction of time villain needs to bluff in this spot for a call-down to be worthwhile, but once you commit do that, DO NOT RAISE THE RIVER.
02-14-2012 , 02:21 PM
nice hand.

depending on the preflop cap at the casino, another raise may be in order.
02-14-2012 , 02:50 PM
Her flop bet is not a donk. Her turn bet is a donk. DUCY
02-18-2012 , 03:31 PM
Villain being loose, aggro, and spewy tilts the balance towards a calldown, not a raise.

Given the preflop range you put villain on, why not five-bet? You've got a great hand in position, and you're going to a showdown. Get the bets in before the board screws everything up.
02-18-2012 , 04:44 PM
I don't think we should encourage threads like this. Granted, the bar for MSLHE strat threads is slightly lower than it used to be, but this still comes in way underneath it.
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