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12-04-2007 , 08:11 PM

RobA

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Last night in AC, game is getting very loose with big pots. My table image is nittier than the rest of the table, but I was recently caught bluffing.

EP2 opens (standard range), MP CCs (loose/passive), I CC next in HJ with 99, both blinds call.

Flop (10SB) Qh 8c 3d.

Blinds check. EP bets, MP calls, I raise, SB folds, BB cold-calls (new to table clean-cut white guy in 40s), all call.

Turn (9BB) 5s.

Check to me. What is my plan here and for various rivers.

I appreciate comments on pre-flop/flop as well, but would really like input on what to do for the spot I'm in now given action so far.

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12-04-2007 , 08:21 PM

KitCloudkicker

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seems like a standard b/f on the turn, check behind all non-9 rivers.

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12-04-2007 , 08:28 PM

BeakWetter

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PF: ok
Flop: I like
Turn: I like a B/F line here.
River: If we bet and get callers on the turn and it is checked to you, I check behind UI.

Turn bet is the last money I put into this pot barring a river 9.

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12-04-2007 , 08:29 PM

Mr Rick

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I b/f turn and would check behind most rivers. There are no legitamite draws on the board so if I get called on the turn, its likely a Q (except for EP2 who might call with AK - but he might also call with TT or JJ...). My experience in 10/20 is if they call the turn with a pair they are calling the river...

Also, I 3-bet pre-flop. I prefer to play this against 2 opponents for 3-bets than against 3 or 4 opponents for 2-bets. Betting/raising the flop is also more likely to get better hands to fold after a 3-bet.

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12-04-2007 , 09:05 PM

n.s.

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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker

seems like a standard b/f on the turn, check behind all non-9 rivers.

Me too.

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12-04-2007 , 11:49 PM

RobA

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Ok, thanks kitcloudkicker, n.s., mr. rick, beak wetter for your input.

I checked behind on the turn. The river was a blank. BB led out, 2 folds to me, and I mucked. When BB coldcalled my flop raise I was done with the hand. I'm pretty sure I would have bet/folded the turn had my flop raise only been called by EP and MP. But BB coldcalling made me quit.

I agree that bet/folding the turn would have been better, but was what I did that bad in your opinions...

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12-04-2007 , 11:52 PM

Michael Davis

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With that flop there are plenty of guys whose coldcall would shut me down sans improvement.

-Michael

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12-05-2007 , 04:53 AM

n.s.

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Originally Posted by RobA

I agree that bet/folding the turn would have been better, but was what I did that bad in your opinions...

If you had any sort of read that BB was tight and/or not-******ed, then I think your line is fine. But since you said that he was new to the table, I hate to give him too much credit in this large pot (plenty of bad players will cold-call there with any piece of the board).

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12-05-2007 , 11:09 AM

Yads

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I'd check the turn. A cold call on that flop is pretty scary.

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12-05-2007 , 11:33 AM

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Mr Rick

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Originally Posted by RobA

I agree that bet/folding the turn would have been better, but was what I did that bad in your opinions...

I think it is close enough. I would have bet one more time on the turn because I would have felt compelled to call a single bet on the river due to the size of the pot - and I think the turn bet could get a JJ, TT, AK to fold. Also, I think if BB is calling with a weak Q he isn't likely to c/r so you may get to see the river anyway.

Your way has merit because you get to see the river and possibly hit your two outs - and you may be correct that you are behind more than 90% of the time...

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12-05-2007 , 05:49 PM

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sirlurkalot

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Originally Posted by Mr Rick

Also, I 3-bet pre-flop. I prefer to play this against 2 opponents for 3-bets than against 3 or 4 opponents for 2-bets. Betting/raising the flop is also more likely to get better hands to fold after a 3-bet.

Rob,
I know you wanted to focus on the turn decision, and as played consensus is that it's a pretty close one between check behind vs. b/f. But think about how much easier the decision would be on the turn if you had 3bet pf, and then bet/raised the flop. The reaction to your 3bet would give you much more confidence in your turn decision.

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