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River play facing a strange raise River play facing a strange raise

04-19-2008 , 12:57 AM
The button is very agressive in position, I think he is LAG and can spew a little. i just had 20 hands at the table when this hand came. My image is probably weak-tight because no cards even if we were very SH. Just lost 2 players.

I just can't put him on a hand on the river, is there any value to reraise him? With the ace on the turn, i don't think he has an ace cause would have face a raise on the turn. So what is the play here???

Just back on limit after 6 month on NLHE. Gave NLHE a try but i like limit a lot more.


CD Poker 20.00/40.00, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button ($1297.50)
SB Hero ($504.00)
BB ($632.55)

Preflop: Hero is in the SB with K A
Button raises to 40.00, Hero raises to 50.00, 1 fold, Button calls 20.00.

Flop (140.00) 9 K 2
Hero bets 20.00, Button calls 20.00.

Turn (180.00) A
Hero bets 40.00, Button calls 40.00.

River (260.00) 2
Hero bets 40.00, Button raises to 80.00, Hero ???
04-19-2008 , 04:27 AM
definately a weird spot. people will show up here with the flush more often than you'd think, but a decent LAG is raising a flush draw on the flop quite often, and raising a made flush on the turn even more often. If he did decide to both not raise the flop with the FD AND slowplay the turn with a flush, you'd expect a competent player to take this line only with at least have the nut or 2nd nut flush, but in this case that is impossible. If he has A2 he is raising the turn 100% unless he is bad. So that leaves his range as: QT spades, JT spades T9 spades (all very discounted if we give him any credit), and then like Q2s, J2s and a bunch of aces. Based on your info, I think his most likely holding is Ax, and he thinks he is chopping a lot and possibly getting calls from Kx / Pocket pairs. I like a 3bet here. (if he caps he is probably overplaying his hand, as AA/KK/99 are real possibilities for your range once you 3bet.)
04-19-2008 , 03:22 PM
I don't think I could do anything other than call. If he is really raising Ax here for value then you just earned a bet that you didn't really deserve and I don't think you need to look for even thinner value than he is looking for.
04-19-2008 , 05:00 PM
His hand looks like either a ridiculous bluff raise with air, a slowplayed flush, or a 2x hand. Just call and see what he has. Definitely a very unusual spot, but I think this river is quite easy to play.
04-19-2008 , 11:35 PM
I just called but when i saw his A6o, i just wanted to kick myself for a missed bet here. Later, when i saw the hand again, i wasn't still convinced that the raise was really a good play since only Ax would pay me thinking we split the pot most of the time and my read was that he didn't have one.

In fact, i can't see any sense in his play. True i could be betting something like KQ or KJ, but that's about the lowest hand i would value bet with that board. He must know that i won't fold an ace here in 100 years and he risked a 3bet (and i though seriously about it) I know we are very-short handed, but isn't the risk of a 3bet bigger than the call with a hand that he beat, taking in account that no ace will never fold here?
04-20-2008 , 01:09 AM
his reasoning is: if I raise here, my line is so weird that he won't 3bet AK, but he will never fold a pair either. An decent to mediorce LAG has Ax here every time, I still like the 3bet, but the call is the mortal play.
04-20-2008 , 04:00 AM
His reasoning is "i has the toppest pair...now to go about getting the mostest value"
04-20-2008 , 04:12 AM
I make ninja value plays like he did in some situations. This isn't one of them, but they can be pretty saucy against aggro SD monkeys, who are calling your river raise here with Q hi (has happened to me multiple times this week).
04-20-2008 , 03:57 PM
3bet is a real spew without a good read imo

      
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