BB is TAG, CO is awful loose passive

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Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A Q
2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, BB calls, CO calls

Flop: (6 SB) 6 8 5 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, CO calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, CO folds, Hero folds

Both are really bad, loose and passive.

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Pre Flop: Hero is BB with J Q
3 folds, BTN calls, SB calls, Hero raises, BTN calls, SB calls

Flop: (6 SB) K 6 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero

check fold

hand 1: the turn changed nothing, and you're opponents aren't going to just fold this flop for one SB, esp. if they are bad/passive. I'd probably fire again on the turn and reevaluate on the river.

hadn 2: c/f

Not that I actually play this way, but good argument can be made for kf flop in hand 1.

Hand 1 if I'm betting the flop I usually fire the turn again. Once you check and the TAG bets, if he's like most TAGs who raise top or middle pair on the flop, I would call his turn bet and make a decision on the river. He probably rightfully thinks you're giving up and can easily be stabbing with a draw hoping to take it down now, or heads up on the river with the fish. Our outs look fairly clean so that reduces the cost of c/cing.

Hand 2 I fire one bet, even though they're bad loose passive they won't peel if they have black undercards, and might even fold something like black Ax. I haven't done the math but I think you're getting an OK price.

Hand 2 I don't raise preflop.

Vmacosta what is kf? I don't recognize the lingo.

Hand 1 I'm betting turn.

hand 1 i fire the turn again. Not a good sign to get called twice on the flop, but this type of flop gets peeled by many hands that you beat, so I fire again.

hand 2 I also raise pre, but i'm sure that doesn't matter too much. I will fire out a bet on the flop also. You don't need to win without a fight very often to be profitable. depending on the type of fish these guys are, you might be able to discount Kx hands anyway.

I like how hand 1 was played.

Hand 2, I don't see the point of the preflop raise if you don't plan to represent when a scary board hits. I really don't like the preflop raise against two likely callers. Against one, yes, against many, yes. But here you will have neither good drawing odds nor good fold equity.

he uses that crap in all his posts. I just assume he spells 'check' and "khech"

c = call
k = check
r = raise
b = bet

i hate this convention because you can't ever have any confusing things using C for both check and call. c/c = check call not check check or call call or call check. c/r = check raise, not call raise. dunno.

aha, i was wondering about that since i started seeing that pop up in his posts... really bothered me too because i want to pronounce if Keck/Call in my head

lol. im not attached to the lingo--just started using it recently when i saw andrew prock doing it and figured it was more descriptive, but miles is right its not necessary. think i'll stop now out of respect for the great llama.

haha, it doesn't really bother me that much, it just looks weird. I have nothing against it though.

Hand 2 interested me, so I did some calculations.

Assumptions:
1) They both have a random hand
2) They are calling the flop with any heart, any pair or better, 97 and 75.

Making calculations, each of them calls the flop 59.65% of the time. So they are both folding 16,28% of the time. So it's actually pretty close because we are getting 6:1 on our bluff. And thats assuming they call the flop with hands like Qd2h or 2d2c which is absolutely terrible. (well, the button probably doesn't have a totally random hand, but that eliminates some sixes and eights too)

nah i think i did bad the calcs sorry, with that assumptions they are both folding only like 8% or 9% of the time.

So check hand 2 Raist? You think we can bet K72m?

Well with the assumptions i discussed it's a check because they don't fold often enough, but if we change the assumptions it may change the result to a bet:

-What's the range of hands of the button? (the SB is random for sure)
-They are calling the flop with a low heart and nothing more?
-They are calling the flop with bottom pair without a heart?

With my previous assumptions K86 or K72 doesn't make any difference, only for the two open-ended straight draws I added, and that was nearly negligible.

im also betting the turn in hand 1

I just think it makes more sense to bet the turn if our hand is remotely showdown bound. If I bet and I river the A or Q I can bet easily, but if you c/c and the overcard rolls off they most likely will not fire again with whatever 1pair junk they have so you're faced with a slightly tough decision on the river.