I got flamed for this one in the "ruin somebody's life thread", so figured I'd give it a whirl as an actually strat. post; have at it...

3-handed 40 game, live. We've been playing 3-handed for about 4 hours with probably 70% of the hands getting to showdown. Lot's of raising/capping on the small streets but slowed down considerably on the big streets, Villian in the hand just came off a ridiculous 20 minute heater. SB will put in any number of bets preflop and on the flop, but is rarely out of line afterwards.

My action on the button when I realize that nobody has limp-reraised yet. I look down at 9To and figure I'll give it a go with the plan of showing my cards face up regardless of whether I make it to showdown or not (metagame/whatever). I believe Villain's impression of me is that we're both there to take the SB's money, but I can't be sure. FWIW, I've pretty much had the goods against villain come showdown time, except for one time recently when I tried to make a thin value raise on the river of a scary board (paired board...I had dummy straight and he had better straight) and lost.

So anyhow... I limp/reraise the button w/ 9To , Villian in BB caps, and SB is along for the ride.

Flop:
8s Jd Ac

SB checks, BB/villian leads, I raise, SB calls two in the face, and then another 2 when BB/villian 3-bets and I cap.

Turn:
[8s Jd Ac] 7h

SB checks, villain leads, I smooth call....

Interested in thoughts on the flop and turn. If you really want to say something about preflop, go ahead, but it will fall on deaf ears.

Thanks.

congratulations of finding the worst possible way to play every street. That takes some skill.

Sweet..this is what I came from, except with maybe a bit more detail...

Anyhow, my thought process was like this, please clarify on why it's horrible.


Preflop is whatever

Ace comes on the flop and thought process is...
BB leads, I tell him to go F himself because I represented a big hand preflop, obv I have an ace or better, he tells me he has an ace when he 3-bets, I tell him I don't care and semi-bluff my well-disguised open-ender when I cap.

I turn the nuts and smoothcall to tell BB, OK, I believe you now, but I told you I had such a big hand preflop and on the flop that I'm just going to make a crying call down. In reality, I want overcall from the SB, and to set up BB for an extra bet on the river.

Thanks.

if this kind of stuff pops into your mind, you should try to just ignore it and not make a decision based on it. metagame/whatever? are you trying to come up with a button open limp reraise strategy?

the reason the turn is horrible is because BB can easily have aces here and will pretty much give you 4bb here and 4 more on the river on many cards. if you raise a river T/9 after just calling the turn, you get 3bb. if you raise/cap here, you get all the bets. ****, in a live game i would be hoping and praying that the other dude folds, we get to the river HU, and i get like 12bb.

The words smoothcall and limit hold 'em don't go well together. The reason you got flamed is because you didn't ruin anyone's life. You botched every street and got lucky.

[x] backwards poker

I don't know...getting lucky seems to me to be one of the better ways to ruin somebody's life.

No, I'm not trying to come up with a Limp re-raise strategy. I'm planning planning on running a bluff. The flop changed that and I had to re-evaluate. Flop cap is probably spew, but otherwise I really don't think it's so bad. That said, a bunch of people who play more than I do are telling me my play is horrible so, I guess I'm not perfect...oh well.

Anyhow, SB gives me the overcall I'm looking for on the turn.

River bricks, BB bets, I raise, SB folds, and then BB and I get another 4 bets in. He ends up with a set of aces.

I take some solace in the fact that BB tells me after the hand, "You never would have gotten so many bets on the river if you raised the turn", and SB says, "You keep me in when you don't raise turn"....but, just so I beat everyone to it, I guess I'm just being results oriented.

Thanks.

.... when you don't raise the turn you also get fewer bets on the turn.

True, but I also don't get SB sandwiched in. But I understand that you're saying that I can raise, knock out the SB, and have BB go 2+ more bets with me on both streets...just not convinced it's true. Thanks for the feedback though, seriously. Much more helpful than, "This is the worst played hand of poker in the history of time"

Why don't you just tell him these things with words, and then play your hand well instead of playing it backwards?

is this at the borg or are there private games near you spreading this high?

Your plan preflop was to run a bluff in a 3handed 40/80 live limit hold 'em game? All flaming aside, your posts indicate that you are playing way above your skill level. The reason you are getting such caustic comments is because your thought process is so off about every decision that it would take a graduate thesis to set you straight. My advice would be to drop down in limits and avoid short handed situations until you become a winning player over 500 or so hours at around the 10/20 limit.

75% chance you guys are all being leveled. 100% chance a mod should have just locked this 13 posts ago.

-DeathDonkey

lol! I read the thread and thought the exact same thing. Then I saw you reply and wondered "what the hell!? why would DD get involved in this?" so I checked the thread again.

Nice.

-Bill

Damn you DD for costing me money.

Mods please lock/delete/etc. as I slip back into lurkerdom for another 5 years.