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4-way pot JTo 4-way pot JTo

07-23-2009 , 07:38 PM
Loose fish UTG limps
HJ folds
Hero raise JTo in CO
BU folds
Laggy SB 3-bets
Laggy BB caps
UTG calls
Hero?

Presuming all players see the flop I am getting 7 to 1 plus implied odds on my call, is this enough with JTo? I am hoping to spike 2 pair, straight or a draw since a pair probably would be best like never. Some of my draws consist of paint cards which is likely to be held by the 3-bettor and capper so I might have fewer outs than I first though.

What hands would you be willing to call with in this spot? Also, borderline isolating the fish with JTo? Where do you draw the line isolating here?
07-23-2009 , 09:46 PM
easy call. might consider folding stuff like weak to mid off suit aces like A8o etc. Play any connected and suited stuff, any pairs.
07-24-2009 , 12:01 AM
You are 4 ways closing the action last to act, there is no hand I'm isolating the limper with here that I'd fold for two more.
07-24-2009 , 04:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
You are 4 ways closing the action last to act, there is no hand I'm isolating the limper with here that I'd fold for two more.
+1

But with those blinds you should strongly reconsider PF imo. I wouldnt ever raise it but dont mind an overlimp.
07-24-2009 , 09:05 AM
Yeah, I considered overlimping here and that's probably what I should have done. I'll post the preflop action now since it puts me in a similar spot.

Flop 785

SB check
BB bet
UTG fish call
Hero?

The problem is I am not closing the action here, I am getting 18-1 needing 11-1 for my gutter but with a lag behind me that could easily be more. I turned to maths here covering implied odds too and found it to be borderline but slightly +EV even if SB would raise and even if it was 3-bet. Any other thoughts?
07-24-2009 , 10:50 AM
Your flop decision is between calling to draw and raising to clean up outs. Folding is terrible. You have more than a gutshot here. Your overcard outs should be discounted after preflop, but not ignored.
07-24-2009 , 09:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GiantBuddha
Your flop decision is between calling to draw and raising to clean up outs. Folding is terrible. You have more than a gutshot here. Your overcard outs should be discounted after preflop, but not ignored.
The fish will call more bets when he calls the first one. The PFR will call if not raise and SB could wake up too. Can I really get anyone to fold here? Facing SB with 2 bets still gives him/her 10-1 so SB is unlikely to fold to a raise. Calling and hoping for SB to just call seems best.
07-25-2009 , 08:10 PM
If you think SB isn't folding anything for 2 bets on the flop, then calling is clearly the best play. I think he can fold AJ/AT/KJ/KT/QJ/QT, all of which will buy you 2 outs as well as knocking out some redraw outs. Also, if you hold a diamond, then there's a better chance of it being good if he folds. But in general the flop looks like a pretty easy call. My main point was that if a software update made the middle button disappear, I would rather raise than fold.

      
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