If you are refering to the small print legal terms that you're supposed to read when you first sign up. . . .well then you're correct, I didn't read every line. But come on lets be honest. . .who does?
Heck in court the small print legal documents aren't even holding up. I don't know what country you live in, but in the U.S. right now there is the "Megan Meyers" myspace case. Short version is some dumb lady made a fake profile on myspace for the sole purpose of attacking a friend of her daughters. The little girl goes on to commit suicide (google the case if you want the specifics) and now Myspace is trying to bring a criminal case against her for breaking the T & C. The judge in the case said you couldn't charge her because then everyone in history would have to be charged for breaking any part of the 1 billion words contained in the T & C. NO ONE READS THE SMALL PRINT.

Yes, you can say its my fault for not reading the T & C. You can also blame me for not "clearing out my cookies" before I visited Full Tilts website. However these are the kind of things that would never hold up in the real world. Any legitiment buisness would have been gone under or have been forced to change.

It seems the only people who don't think this process is shady are the affiliates. (To be fair though, if I were an affiliate I would fight for things to stay the way they are if this was how I fed my family)

I haven't played at Full Tilt in over 3 years. I play almost daily on Stars. I would like to play on Full Tilt however for the simple reason that having more choices is better for me. Full Tilt and my affiliate haven't made a cent of rake off of me in a long time. I sent Full Tilt an email a long time ago telling them I wouldn't play on their site again unless I was offered rakeback.

In many cases, I think the affiliate hurts both the player and the site and offers very little value to either. I have missed out on the traffic and variety at FTP, and they have missed out on the 3k-5k in rake I've generated every month for the last few years. In my case, the affiliate doesn't benefit, but rather is just their to spoil things for FTP and me. Having some kind of inactivity clause that let me sign up for rakeback would fix this situation.

When I started playing online poker 5 years ago, I signed up for accounts with lots of rooms, FTP included, through an affiliate without rakeback...I was a noob, I didn't know any better. After I learned about rakeback, I left FTP and never went back. I would love to play there, but I won't do it without rakeback. My business instead goes to the cake and merge networks where my regular play is rewarded.

lots of people in a similar boat...and I don't understand why FTP doesn't find a solution...don't they realize how much money they are losing in rakes? seriously, that is a huge amount of money...

Has a sit out protest ever been tried?

If all the people who want rakeback agree to sit at a certain time at certain tables then sit out say for an hour, it might show them how much rake they are missing.

Anyone up for this? I too would like to have FT as another site choice, but it ain't happening with no RB

Here's my issue which is in this ballpark...I signed up on FT and deposited the full $600 to get the full bonus. I would grind every few days on the micro cash games and SNG's to try and release my full bonus before the time period expired. After a month or so I noticed that me FTP's were not being added correctly to release the $20 blocks. I actually recorded this for proof so i could go back and make sure i wasnt getting the math wrong. I should have released over $220 by my math, but i just recently released $140!!! Not sure how many other people have been getting ripped off like me, but i guess there is a reason why more players play on Stars....anyone else have any issues with their bonus being short?

Wardrums,

From our understanding, bonus points earned during promotions such as Happy Hour do not count towards clearing a bonus (i.e. if you got double or triple points, you'd still only be getting 1x those points in terms of the bonus). This could be the reason why your bonus didn't clear at the same rate that it would appear it should based on your FTP points balance. That may not be the reason at all, but it's something to consider.

Best Regards,

ThisIsTheNuts

FTP's stance on this is absurd. Why can't they let players choose who their affiliate is? Having players locked into an affiliate when most of them were completely unaware of that is fraudulent imo.

Two quick points. 1. A couple of posts up, somebody asked for clarification of the cpa figure. I get $125. 2. In relation to the above post. The traditional style of affiliating before rakeback existed was to set up an information and content rich website that would be useful to poker players and also have links to the sites on it. From players signing up through these links the affiliate earned his cpa/revenue. Then some affiliates started offering rakeback which changed the game, and it's so widespread now that customers feel entitled to it. The problem is that some affiliates still use the old style of affiliating, and if you sign up through one of their information style websites, you're stuck without rakeback. It's fair for you to argue that you'd like to change affiliates so you can get rakeback, but would it be fair to the said affiliate who's spent x amount of time and money setting up and running his website to continuously have players moving to another affiliate if he's on a revenue deal?

Fraudulent is a very bad word to use. They are not defrauding anyone at all. Do some affiliates but links in pages that might get you attached to them without ever knowing, you bet. Best things about all of this is there are several other good places to play. So just be happy elsewhere.

Melina

Just links with no warning is shady. I think using cookies and not even links is dipping past shady into "fraudulent".

I'd be more than happy to pay $125 to get my affiliate cleared even though it feels dirty.

Entering someone into a lifelong contract without any knowledge of that affiliation is fraudulent.

Why are you defending the affiliates so vehemently? These guys used shady tactics to trick customers into entering agreements they were completely unaware of. Do you really think most players wouldn't have cleared their cookies before signing up had they known the consequences?

The entire affiliate program was based on deception.

what the affiliate is actually getting paid for is to promote and send a customer to fulltilt. That is exactly what he's doing. He's under no obligation to give you a percentage of his payment which is what rakeback is. Just because some affiliates do give you a percentage as a marketing strategy, what is the other affiliate supposed to do? Would you like him to write on his website "if you sign up to fulltilt through my site i'll get paid for sending you there, but if you go to another site you'll get most of that back as rakeback"? This obviously isn't going to happen.

This is the whole point, the entire marketing strategy is based on deception and customer ignorance. If anyone who signed up through an affiliate with no rakeback knew the entirety of the facts, they would never have done it.

he isn't binding you to any contract. You are under no obligation to play at fulltilt, and he isn't deceiving anyone. It's equivalant to you buying a tv from a shop for $1k, then finding out that the shop down the road is running a promotion which gives you back $250 worth of vouchers if you buy the same tv. It's not the first shops fault you bought your tv there, and they're not deceiving you by not telling you that you can get vouchers back elsewhere.

If I am not bound to a contract why am I not allowed to change affiliates? You're making my point for me.

You're not understanding what an affiliate is. An affiliate is paid by a poker site to send them customers. Once an affiliate has sent you to a poker site and recieved payment, you can't ask the poker site to pay somebody else to send you there instead.

The affiliate is receiving consistent revenue as a % of the LIFETIME rake I pay. What do you not understand about this?

of course he is. That's his reward for promoting the site and sending you there. You don't seem to have a problem with this as long as the said affiliate gives you a percentage of that back, which he's under no obligation to do. Look let me be blunt. I give rakeback as do hundreds of other affiliates. We don't do it because we love you or want to give you our money (which is what rakeback is). We do it to attract customers and make money. If other affiliates have found a successful way of getting customers to sign up to a site without offering them a high percentage of their profit (rakeback), then all power to them. All rakeback is is a marketing ploy to attract customers. It's not your god given right. You cannot ask fulltilt to stop paying your affiliate because he's not giving you any money. The only thing that you can do is play at another site through an affiliate who agrees to give you a percentage of their earnings.

This is where your argument falls to ****. I don't think getting a cookie in someone's browser because they were checking out diff poker sites and then locking them into a lifelong arrangement is worthy of some kind of respect where we have to honor the affiliates "hard work".

The entire strategy is based on deception, as I have stated about five times in this thread, you seem unwilling or unable to provide any counter to that point.

Like i said, your problem isn't with the cookie. It's because your affiliate isn't giving you any of his profit. Even if you didn't have a cookie attached and signed up directly at fulltilt, you still wouldn't get rakeback!
If it wasn't for us affiliates there would be no such thing as rakeback as we invented it and pay it out of our profit. You would pay your 5% rake and get nothing in return, as you do whether you have a non rakeback affiliates cookies attached or not. Your only issue is that you didn't sign up through an affiliate who was willing to give you a percentage of his referral profit. You have no other arguement. It's not as if you're claiming that you tried to sign up through a rakeback affiliate but a non rakeback affiliates cookies were already attached which has stopped you getting it! That'd never happen anyway, as all rakeback sites instruct you to clear your cookies before downloading the software through their link. The cookies have cost you nothing!

Full Tilt allows unlinked accounts to get rakeback through RBPs.com

So no, the cookies have cost me the 27% RB I would be getting had I not gotten linked to some no name affiliate without my knowledge.

Sorry, what is the full name of the site?

I seem to be having the same problem as everyone else regarding rakeback.

rakebackpros.com


If your FTP account isn't linked to an affiliate you can get 27% RB through them.

I used to have account with Rakeback.com i was getting 27% rake back from FullTilt
I did not play on Full Tilt for 10 month and i did not check my rakeback.com account either.
For some reason rakeback.com does not have my account any more and don't recognise my e-mail.I e-mail FTP and they dont want to know about my problems.


Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker.

We understand this situation can be frustrating but again, Full Tilt poker doesn't offer rakeback directly.

Full Tilt Poker has relationships with various affiliates, and they receive commission on all real money players they send to Full Tilt Poker. It would violate our Standard Affiliate Agreement to move a player off of their account.

Unfortunately, for privacy reasons we cannot disclose which affiliate you are linked to. Nevertheless, you have signed under a banner that is affiliated with Full Tilt Poker.

Please bear in mind that this is not an issue which can be solved by closing your current account and opening a new one. It is against Full Tilt Poker's policy to open more than one account.

Please contact us again if there is anything else we can assist you with.

Regards,

Chloe
Full Tilt Poker Support





Bassicly i dont get any more rake back . So im gonig back to Pokerstars. F%$^ FTP. I hope they will lose more customers because Im not paying my rake to third parties anymore if i dont get anything out of it
FTP happy to deal with fraud so good luck to them i'm not going to play anymore on FTP. Rakeback.com is another bad name on my list. I think they team up with FTP to get some more customers for short peiod of time and then F%$£ us off. by closing accounts at rakeback.com. I remember when i signed up with FTP i used code RAKEBRAIN but for some reason ive been moved to Rakeback.com it did not matter to us at that time so i agreed to be with Rakeback.com instead of my original choice Rakebrain.com. Now Rakeback.com dont have my account and i lost my rake
WELL DONE FTP KEEP UP GOOD WORK.
I thought i can trust FTP I was completely wrong

I thought there is maybe my mistake and asked FTP to name my affiliate but they cannot reavel it for privacy reason. Its like you come to your bank and asked them about your direct debits you have and they said no.What would you do? Its my money going to someone else pocket and they refusing to reveal where is my money gone.That is it i'm done with Full Tilt Poker.


Thanks for contacting Full Tilt Poker Support.

You?ve asked about the possibility of receiving rakeback but at this time, Full Tilt Poker does not offer rakeback directly to players.

There are a number of affiliate companies which offer rakeback if players sign up to Full Tilt Poker through their website. However, it appears that you were referred to Full Tilt Poker from an affiliate which does not offer rakeback. We are unable to switch your account from this affiliate to another, as our agreement with affiliates prohibits this.

We understand that you are interested in such promotions in the future and if the situation changes, our players will be the first to know and we will contact you when we have more news.

Regards,

Chloe
Full Tilt Poker Support