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FTP should allow a player who signed up without rakeback to receive rakeback as a loyal player promo or some type of amnesty. How about if they put a promo on the black card, say like a stars approach, and you can receive rakeback when you have played X hands over X days.

It is silly that if you were unaware of rakeback when you eagerly joined your first poker site that would keep you from ever receiving rakeback in the future.

So a player is then faced with a decision to not play FTP or multi-account and remain in the shadows. It is just a bad situation for FTP and the player.

FTP is by far my favorite site to play on for many reasons and it sucks that I can't get rakeback. As a small stakes or even mid stakes poker player in this economy you really can't afford not to have rakeback.

This post is geared towards the serious player who puts in a solid volume in SSNL and MSNL.

Didn't loads of people get rakeback through rakebacklovers, on existing accounts?

This post is geared towards the OP

The horse has been beat to death. I doubt anything is going to change.

This is only for ppl who signed up with out any promocodes of any type, well afaik atleast.

Ty, I never paid attention to it until now.

you can get it as long as you didn't sign up with a referral from another site. Whoever referred you gets a cut of the rake you create. FTP couldn't give you 27% rakeback and pay the site that referred you in addition to that. Now if ftp could give you a lesser rake % that offsets what they continue to pay your referrer that would be one thing.

^this. FT has no problem adding rb to existing accounts not linked to affiliates. This isnt Tilt being cheap, it's them honoring agreements they made with other companies.

Ehhhh, I've been trying since 2008 and I'm not tagged or anything.

I had previously signed up without rakeback and somehow managed to dodge rakeback sites, so I never had random RB cookies.

Thus, I wasn't linked, emailed FTP that I would like to join RBP's, moved roll to stars, few months later they put me on rakebackpros.

Don't just threaten to move, actually do it.

Also, if you are tagged, then you're SOL. Also people complain about them changing rakeback methods mid-year and everything, but if they started taking random accounts from affiliates, a lot of affiliates would get pissed.

[x] other sites exist...

Actually talk to rackbackpros Thats what I did and got rackback within 3 days.

I agree that it is not Full Tilt´s best idea not to offer 27% directly to the players. Every solid player grinding the low-midstakes knows that rakeback is important for him. These players will NEVER ever sign-up with FTP directly but with an affiliate, even if those players knew FTP before and not because of the affiliate´s work.

The only people signing up with FTP directly are the fish that come to FTP because of TV-ads and other promo stuff. They are broke within days and not giving them rakeback is just stupid. If you send a small amount back to those players each week it will make most of them depositing more in the long run and it gives you the opportunity to email your customers on a weekly basis and keep them playing.

They are losing traffic, that's for sure ...

I signed up with an affilate, but didn't have a rakeback code. I contacted the affiliate and they said they would contact FTP to adjust it to a rakeback account.

FTP denied them and me.

the kicker is that FTP support gave me the name of my affiliate and told me to contact them. Then after all of that they said no after a week and a half of emailing.

I asked them why they would ever give me the contact info and encourage me to contact the RB provider. Since then they will not respond to my emails.

I guess 3 years and 20 days a week+ is not loyal enough.

My point is that they should change the agreement for the future.

It would be nice if you don't have rakeback that you could achieve it via the black card or some other hands played goal etc.

The more I play at the casino the better my comps get. If I played 20 days over 3 years they would never ever treat me the way FTP has.

But that is not the only case...Full Tilt offers banner advertisements on hundreds of poker related sites, through poker related advertisement companies.

People who click on that banner are UNKNOWINGLY being set with a random affiliate who they have no knowledge of what they are receiving for simply clicking that link. In essence they are forfeiting 1000's of dollars in future rakeback without ever being notified that they are being set up with an affiliate.

To make matters worse, Full Tilt has adopted the ridiculous policy of NOT telling you what affiliate you signed up through, so you have no way of knowing whether or not that affiliate offers rakeback.

They will simply tell you that the affiliate doesnt offer rakeback...whether or not that is true, you have no idea, and from there you have no other alternative.

Now that is loyalty.

Interesting.

I know that I never signed up with an affiliate and didn't understand how I entered a promo code when I never even heard of the affiliate that I had.

To be fair, they did tell me the promocode, which was the affiliates name.

lol, you know what I meant.

I am a bit tilted, forgive me.

Keep telling them how you feel, their policy may change.

After all, they did add rb pros, the complaints were worse before that.

They will give you rakeback if you requst it
ONLY IF YOU DID NOT SIGN UP THROUGH AN AFFILIATE

They said they will not respond to any emails from me regarding any rakeback issue.

and they haven't... I must be on ignore at this point.

I never signed up with any promocode, but now believe this is what happened.

Has anyone reading this ever had FTP give them rakeback when a affiliate contacted FTP to request it?

To be clear, you have an you affiliate you signed up with (but with out rakeback) contact FTP and was granted RB?

From what I've found the only time anyone who is linked with an affiliate gets rakeback on full tilt is when someone makes a mistake.

Their policy is zero tolerance.