I play on a US site where the cash game action is drying up?

The only other site where I don't have an account is absolute. I told myself I would never play there due to the scandal but its my only option this point in regards to getting rakeback.

Is it safe enough to play on or should I forget about it?
Is the action good/soft?
Are there resizable tables?
How is cashing out? I'll find that in the forums.

I play 50NL and 100NL.

The games are quite soft and there are resizable tables. But the rakeback sucks because it's contributed instead of dealt. I don't wanna explain the difference but 30% at AP is way less than 27% at FTP, which uses the dealt method.

You will also pay a ton in BBJ rake. When I played there I would get the redeposit bonuses as often as I wanted which helped make up for it. But now without an e-wallet that's harder to do.

The contributed vs dealt thing is kinda true. If youre a lag, you prefer contributed, but if youre nitty then you prefer dealt.

Why would anyone prefer dealt?

And as far as Absolute goes...avoid it like the plague. A) Who knows if they are scamming again and B) they don't deserve business after that crap.

If you play many more hands than the average player at your table, then you contribute more to the rake, therefore you would want a higher percentage of that rake back than some guy who plays 9/7.

But would you still not just get 27% of the rake back? Is it a principal thing? Or is there any economic plus side to contributed rake?

If you get dealt then you would get 27% no matter what, as long as you are dealt in pf. The economic plus side to dealt is there only if you play a laggy game or at least laggier than your average player at the table. As I said, the reason for this is because the more hands you are involved in, then the more rake you contribute. If the site uses the contributed method, then you make more rakeback if you are a laggy player, and are therefore making more than you would if you were at a dealt site. However, if you play nittier than the average player, then you want dealt because you are not contributing as much to the rake as the other players are.

Sorry I edited my post I guess while you were responding. I meant an economic plus side of contributed rake.

But the way I see it (and I'm probably looking at it wrong) is that when it is dealt you get say 27% back for every single pot you are dealt a hand. However, in contributed you only get 27% of that pot if you contribute to it. But isn't the number going to be the same that you get and in dealt you just get rake back for every single pot you are dealt as opposed to just the one's you contribute.

I must be missing something here.

More hands you play = more rake you generate = more you would make through contributed; You contribute more so you get more back.

Less hands you play = less rake you generate = more you would make through dealt

short answer: no.
long answer: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

In the end is it not still the same percentage (ie.27%)? But in dealt you get a piece of every pot you are dealt into even if you fold?

I've never heard of anyone making better rakeback at a contributed site than at a dealt site. My personal experience with AP was that I was getting way less than 30% back from the rake I paid.

I played 22/16 or so.

KingOfFelt,

Here's an example of the difference between dealt and contributed, using 30% rakeback, $3 rake, and 10-person tables for ease of math.

Contributed: Pot is raked $3, which is divided amongst all 10 players dealt into the hand. Thus, 30 cents per person. 30% RB of your share would be 9 cents.

Dealt: Pot is raked $3, which is divided amongst the three players who put money in, one of whom was you. $1 per person. 30% RB of your share would be 30 cents.

Obviously, the numbers will fluctuate based on how tight/loose the table is and how tight/loose you are. If you play loose, then you'd like contributed, as you'll be receiving rakeback from a higher number of hands where your share of the rake is higher than dealt because fewer players are counted.

If you play tight, then you'll like dealt because you can fold your way to rakeback. You'll just want to play at loose tables, as they will generate more rake (well, choose tables based on where you think you have the best chance to win, rather than which will give more rakeback, but you get my point).

My MGR playing at AP was quite a bit less than my rake paid in PokerTracker. Shouldn't they be pretty close to the same?

Ahhhhhh, that makes sense.

Thanks for the explanation.

Stay away from AP an UB, they cheat and you will be supporting cheaters.

whats wrong wtih full tilt

whats wrong with micro sites. like poker trillion. where everyone gets 30% rb

OP, just set up a prop deal for more than 30% on a smaller, less popular site.

less popular because ppl can see your cards. and the site doesn't care about cheating in fact they did it them sleves.

...... all-too-true!

if you're American they take a huge chunk right off the top of ur MGR for cashier fees

they don't do it like FT and charge individuals for depositing, they just charge EVERY american player

DISCLAIMER: This is how it was done on UB, so I just assume AP=same

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Absolute is the nuts.