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06-02-2015 , 03:21 PM
So you do know the difference!
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06-02-2015 , 04:13 PM
Is there some centralised site for user feedback/reviews? I mean it's possible to embed disqus.com into a web app and let users to use one account for commenting on a bunch of different sites. But is there something similar for feedback/reviews? For example a user rents an appartment on AirBnb and buys some stuff from Ebay and all the positive/negative reviews go to into one centralised site. It's like gravatar/disqus, but for user reviews/trust. Is there something like that?
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06-02-2015 , 04:37 PM
That article seems pretty much bottom of the barrel terrible.

It is more about *what* some of the differences between databases and spreadsheets are and not *why* databases and spreadsheets are different things.

I feel like anyone asking that question in an interview and being told "well spreadsheets are usually in excel, open office, or google sheets, and databases are usually in some type of SQL" would be supremely disappointed.
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06-02-2015 , 07:19 PM
One is for mass producing api calls and the other is for accidentally deleting from time to time.
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06-02-2015 , 07:36 PM
My initial response was "that's like asking the difference between a tool shed and a skyscraper."

"Difference" implies some order of "similar."

A tool shed and a skyscraper are similar in that each keeps rain off of stuff.
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06-02-2015 , 07:49 PM
When we talk about spreadsheets are we assuming that they are just a saved spreadsheet file or a spreadsheet that is loaded inside excel.

I would assume that excel is using the spreadsheet with the same algorithms that databases use to make fast outputs of whatever request the user types into the bar above the spreadsheet.
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06-02-2015 , 08:20 PM
That's sort of the catch. A spreadsheet system, in base form, simply represents a tab / comma / whatever separated list in tabular form.

Excel, LO, Google Docs, etc, all add metadata to the sheets to save whatever equations or other odd things you have, but that is confined to whatever you are using. If you save .xlsx file as .csv, all that metadata is lost and you are back to a comma-separated file without equations.

The real question is "what is a spreadsheet?"
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06-02-2015 , 08:58 PM
A spreadsheet is like a New Year's resolution where following through on it would be a database.
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06-02-2015 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
That's sort of the catch. A spreadsheet system, in base form, simply represents a tab / comma / whatever separated list in tabular form.

Excel, LO, Google Docs, etc, all add metadata to the sheets to save whatever equations or other odd things you have, but that is confined to whatever you are using. If you save .xlsx file as .csv, all that metadata is lost and you are back to a comma-separated file without equations.

The real question is "what is a spreadsheet?"
You could probably argue the same thing about databases.

Which is why it could be a good question for starting a discussion. And a ****ty question if you just want people to say some specific answer.
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06-02-2015 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
One of my friends had the ultimate interview question:

"What is the difference between a database and a spreadsheet."

I have to admit... I wouldn't be able to answer this.
Well one is a tool millions of brain-dead office drones stare at thousands of hours per year feebly interacting with its outdated UI and tools that was poorly designed decades ago by people who really should have known better. The other is one of Microsoft's flagship products.

Last edited by Grue; 06-02-2015 at 10:09 PM. Reason: that worked better when I read the latter as the brand name
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06-02-2015 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
You could probably argue the same thing about databases.

Which is why it could be a good question for starting a discussion. And a ****ty question if you just want people to say some specific answer.
Yeah, I think I could argue the same.

Once you start to interact with an interface, the world is different no matter if you are comparing RDMS or spreadsheet programs.

I did try to explain it to the friend.

- A database is more abstract, so you don't have tools for visualization, like you would in Excel.

- Excel is more interactive and ad hoc.

- A database is a collection of tables. A "well formed" database has strict definitions about tuples and relationships between data. Excel doesn't really enforce this. I would further argue that a database that doesn't enforce referential integrity isn't really a database.

"So, a table could just be a sheet in a workbook, right?"

- If someone asks you that question again, just say "I don't know."

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Well one is a tool millions of brain-dead office drones stare at thousands of hours per year feebly interacting with its outdated UI and tools that was poorly designed decades ago by people who really should have known better. The other is one of Microsoft's flagship products.
The part that pisses me off is about Excel is how it converts large numbers to scientific notation. Reallly, MS? This is supposed to be a financial tool and it can't handle numbers? WTF is format 0 anyways?

There are things that are really cool about Excel. Try hooking up a DSN to a remote database and you have a very powerful combo.

I'll keep my opinions of SQL Server to myself.
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06-03-2015 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
I feel like anyone asking that question in an interview and being told "well spreadsheets are usually in excel, open office, or google sheets, and databases are usually in some type of SQL" would be supremely disappointed.
haha amazing
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06-03-2015 , 12:44 AM
Working with C, I never realized there were so many different types of ints.

uint32_t
uint16_t
uint64_t
uint8_t

And then there are the signed equivalents as well! So glad there are typedefs available to abstract this mess
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06-03-2015 , 01:20 AM
I use them all very frequently. How big something is can get quite important, especially in an embedded environment.

Another one is uintptr_t.
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06-03-2015 , 01:38 AM
Javascript is the like the anti-C. How big can it get? Hell we don't care, could be a string or an event next time it comes around.
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06-03-2015 , 02:04 AM
06-03-2015 , 02:31 AM
I've always thought it was Steve and Woz's personal views shaped security for Apple products.
Any video or article with them expressing their views on topics that don't necessarily relate to technology are pretty interesting.

There is one video on Education that Steve expressed his opinion on that is worth watching. I remember reading that some FBI officials came to apple to warn that china is trying to spy on them and Steve bluntly says, yah like how you guys are doing the same and this was way back when. Woz is just awesome and has many views on the government that would probably make security a high priority if asked.
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06-03-2015 , 01:37 PM
http://www.cameronalcorn.com/what-co...ign-inquiries/

Pretty interesting article. Can't believe those response rates wow. Its not a huge project sure but its work.
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06-03-2015 , 01:49 PM
i guess if you're charging 15 grand for a four-page responsive design, you only need a few suckers a year to keep the lights on
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06-03-2015 , 02:01 PM
My (ex) trainer got roped into paying something like $300/month for hosting his one page website for his gym. He went with a guy who walked in off the street LOL. The last I heard he was trying to get out of it and fighting their collections agency.
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06-03-2015 , 02:09 PM
the high prices mean "we're already busy, your design sucks, will be a pain to implement and ultimately will reflect poorly on us no matter how well we pull it off."

the low prices mean "lol I don't even know html but I bet I can get someone on odesk to do this for $100"
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06-03-2015 , 02:13 PM
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My (ex) trainer got roped into paying something like $300/month for hosting his one page website for his gym. He went with a guy who walked in off the street LOL. The last I heard he was trying to get out of it and fighting their collections agency.
Irony, considering my past experiences with gyms.
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06-03-2015 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Grue
http://www.cameronalcorn.com/what-co...ign-inquiries/

Pretty interesting article. Can't believe those response rates wow. Its not a huge project sure but its work.
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i guess if you're charging 15 grand for a four-page responsive design, you only need a few suckers a year to keep the lights on
Very often, and this is more true for companies and less true for one man shops, there's a certain threshold below which it's a waste of your time, because of corporate overhead and opportunity costs. The low response rate may have to do with the fact that some agencies won't care to work with you unless you have deep pockets. The whole thing sounds like: I approached a bunch of restaurants to do a small private event and some never responded and some asked for way too much. Different companies have different business models.

Also, is it standard to approach "creative agencies" with an exact design? That seems weird - it's like approaching a technical consulting firm with an exact technical spec or approaching an architect with a blueprint. I'm sure a lot of agencies simply won't work with customers like that.
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06-03-2015 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Grue
http://www.cameronalcorn.com/what-co...ign-inquiries/

Pretty interesting article. Can't believe those response rates wow. Its not a huge project sure but its work.
lol article

I work at a digital agency and I would have 100% ignored him and I have already ignored 2-3 of him this week.

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You only get one chance. Whether it’s a phone call or an email, don’t take it for granted. You’ve gone through all the effort to generate leads and get noticed. Put in a little extra effort and convert. Get your clients excited about working with you!
Oh yea bro, I am super excited and falling over my desk to build you a $500 website. Let me make sure I curate my email and response perfectly and create the optimal buyer experience for the dude who probably clicked one of my $4-5 adwords for his ****ty blog post.

guy's a joker
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06-03-2015 , 04:08 PM
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Its not a huge project sure but its work.
Think of it this way. I am responsible for bringing in $Xmillion every year. If you divide $Xmillion by 2000 hours, you come out to an abstract number that I need to be bringing in each hour.

Hour is kinda silly, so think of it in terms of weeks/months/quarters. If I am responsible for X00,000 every month, why would I ever respond to someone reaching out about a website that could at most make us a couple thousand dollars?

It is literally a waste of the company's time and money to spend my time responding to this person myself, imagine if I ask a PM about our current pipeline and how this would fit in, now imagine I ask a developer about getting this design on a site.

Very very quickly you are already in for X,000 of wasted payroll time before you have even become one of the top 5 firms in competition, we're not even talking about getting a contract signed.

I'm kinda surprised that you have this perspective that the author is anything but an absolute tire-kicker.
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