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09-22-2012 , 04:11 AM
Re: Negotiating salary increase etc....

I know it's not specific help or anything but "Bargaining for Advantage" is a really good book that I'd recommend. It'll set you up with a decent basic framework for all kinds of negotiations.
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09-22-2012 , 07:40 AM
I need a basic template for wordpress, which looks like this:


Anyone got any link or tip? I've been looking at some sites a friend sent me and googled myself and couldnt find anything.
I want it as basic as possible, but dont want to go through creating a CSS and everything.
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09-22-2012 , 07:57 AM
Thesis.
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09-22-2012 , 08:27 AM
Is it worth it?
I am looking for something very basic and spending $77 on a template (I literally only need the template and the CSS, everything else I got coded) seems excessive.
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09-22-2012 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Spurious
Is it worth it?
I am looking for something very basic and spending $77 on a template (I literally only need the template and the CSS, everything else I got coded) seems excessive.
If you want something that will let you do stuff without coding CSS, yes. It's well made, very good. Pointy clicky happy. It's simple, flexible.

So I guess whether it's worth it depends on how often you're deploying websites.
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09-22-2012 , 08:57 AM
I am literally only doing it for this one website.
I am just testing the demand for a certain type of output.

If it's worthwhile, I would consider buying something like this, but at the moment, I am just "testing" something very simple.
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09-22-2012 , 09:20 AM
Then go to freeflobozzlethemes.com.biz.org and just download one?

Last edited by Neil S; 09-22-2012 at 09:20 AM. Reason: I guess I don't get the issue here.
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09-22-2012 , 09:42 AM
I've looked at a million different sites and all of them seemed to be overly colorful.

I guess I have to look harder and will keep Thesis in mind, since it seems to be quite an useful software.
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09-22-2012 , 10:34 AM
About salary negotiation:

1. Make sure you have facts about market rates for that position. It's irrelevant what a guy that doesn't do that job anymore made. It's possible he was (or they think he was) overpaid. And if he was underpaid, you don't want to undersell yourself if that position has a prevailing wage.
2. Before you ask for more money, make sure they are putting you in that spot because they think you are a good fit for it, and you're not getting the promotion by default as the last experienced person on the team.
3. Know what you're going to do if they say no, or give you significantly less than you want. Will you quit? Accept it?
4. See if you can get a handle on how your boss does salary negotiations. Mine, for example, doesn't negotiate raises. He decides your raise and you take it or leave it.
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09-22-2012 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
With community like that, you have to wonder why Lisp isn't more popular. At least they all seem dismissive of Clojure too.
why are the lisp guys dismissive of clojure? i thought clojure was a lisp?
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09-22-2012 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Zurvan
About salary negotiation:

1. Make sure you have facts about market rates for that position. It's irrelevant what a guy that doesn't do that job anymore made. It's possible he was (or they think he was) overpaid. And if he was underpaid, you don't want to undersell yourself if that position has a prevailing wage.
2. Before you ask for more money, make sure they are putting you in that spot because they think you are a good fit for it, and you're not getting the promotion by default as the last experienced person on the team.
3. Know what you're going to do if they say no, or give you significantly less than you want. Will you quit? Accept it?
4. See if you can get a handle on how your boss does salary negotiations. Mine, for example, doesn't negotiate raises. He decides your raise and you take it or leave it.
4. Lol that sounds like a horrible boss.
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09-23-2012 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Zurvan
About salary negotiation:

1. Make sure you have facts about market rates for that position. It's irrelevant what a guy that doesn't do that job anymore made. It's possible he was (or they think he was) overpaid. And if he was underpaid, you don't want to undersell yourself if that position has a prevailing wage.
2. Before you ask for more money, make sure they are putting you in that spot because they think you are a good fit for it, and you're not getting the promotion by default as the last experienced person on the team.
3. Know what you're going to do if they say no, or give you significantly less than you want. Will you quit? Accept it?
4. See if you can get a handle on how your boss does salary negotiations. Mine, for example, doesn't negotiate raises. He decides your raise and you take it or leave it.
Just in case whoever asked doesn't read the book I suggested I guess one of the bigger and obvious points to keep in mind is that you can't just negotiate wage. Get extra days off, get a 4 day workweek, more work from home, new laptop, new chair, extra monitor...all of that is on the table as well.

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why are the lisp guys dismissive of clojure? i thought clojure was a lisp?
Scheme is a Lisp...Common Lisp and Scheme guys have been known to have heated arguments. It's just the way it is :P
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09-23-2012 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
why are the lisp guys dismissive of clojure? i thought clojure was a lisp?
It's more the CL user that are dismissive of Clojure. I guess that they are very emotionally tied to CL and they simply see any flaw of any language as a blub-language. The complaints usually result around Clojure not being a "pure" language as it compiles to JVM and thus doesn't have TCO (Tail Call Optimization). One only sees how they reacted to... well...

http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42

Scheme users don't seem as futzed about it. After nearly a year of using Scheme, Clojure feels like someone came by and chopped the shackles off my legs.

****

FWIW, I finally hit a situation where I have to create a macro! Actually, I should be creating a few of them. Unfortunately, I'm too lazy to learn how to create one today, so I'm pooping out a working answer. This project is turning into a massive cluster-****, though it's not illogical and hard to maintain yet. What a crazy learning experience.

So far, I have 1800 LOC in Clojure, plus 200 LOC in CSS which will probably explode to 400 - 500, and about 1000 LOC of SQL.

About 3000 LOC. I suspect the total tally will be between 5000 and 6000 LOC.

The best part: Absolutely no js/jQuery. So no code bloat.
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09-23-2012 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by muttiah
4. Lol that sounds like a horrible boss.
More like he hates confrontation of any kind, so gives good raises (double digit percentage increases are common) and if anybody disagrees he sends them to HR to be told why they won't get more. It's amusing more than anything.
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09-23-2012 , 09:26 AM
Wow, the lisp cult looks so annoying.

What is it with neat languages and weird cultures around them?

Well, at least you don't have to be like them to use the tools, if you want.
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09-23-2012 , 09:59 AM
Well, I think that guy is more extreme than the normal. There's those that are totally lost, but I suspect that there has been a decent amount of grudging respect from the CL and Scheme community. I don't care to look into it.

Eh, I ignore it all. Fanboyism at least shows commitment to growth and continuity of the language so it's a minor guide in the decision of what's valuable to learn about. Where would Ruby, Python, Drupal, et.al. be without fans?
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09-23-2012 , 10:12 AM
It's just so silly. Sure, TCO was absolutely essential, when people coded on timeshares on slow, single organizational computers.

Now it's surely nice but not needed in all cases.
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09-23-2012 , 11:01 AM
I'm not sure about the historical need for TCO. I understand the notion and power of it, but I can live without it.

Nice to have if you don't overdo it. There's a pretty large cost to having it.
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09-23-2012 , 11:19 AM
Well when total system memory was measured in kB...
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09-23-2012 , 03:09 PM
I found myself thinking at first that guy was just a cranky troll (which is he) but I also have to say after reading all the comments that he's pretty hilarious and, while I don't know enough about the subject to say for sure, I suspect he could be right about a lot of his points.
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09-23-2012 , 07:16 PM
http://www.nowgamer.com/features/921...goldeneye.html

Interesting article on GoldenEye development I just found via reddit
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09-23-2012 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
I found myself thinking at first that guy was just a cranky troll (which is he) but I also have to say after reading all the comments that he's pretty hilarious and, while I don't know enough about the subject to say for sure, I suspect he could be right about a lot of his points.
I find the part about it being lisp all the way down a ******ed argument. Lisp already compiles to C. What's the difference between Lisp -> JVM or CLR?

I guess it would be the same feeling if you used C all your life and then someone came along and said it should now compile to JVM. Like, holy moly, we can't allocate our own memory anymore?

I keep one coming across quotes about Lisp being a spiritual experience once you "get it," and maybe no other language gives you such an effect, and maybe that effect is what makes people so closed-minded to other options. I wish I was more well-versed in other languages to know what the "get it" stuff is. I can only compare to Python. I guess Python offers some unwanted surprises at times, and I seldom get that "code as data" feeling I get when using Lisp.

I guess it would be like telling someone that used PyPy all their life that Jython is a better option?
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09-23-2012 , 11:33 PM
i definitely agree that lisp is the most elegant language fundamentally. even ruby, which i really love, is complex and idiosyncratic compared with lisp.
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09-24-2012 , 12:29 AM
I wish I was more knowledgeable about languages to know if that is a true/false dichotomy. You seem like a good programmer, so I'll defer to your opinion.

Exciting to note: Clojure to C allows for iOS and Android development! Does that mean you'd be able to develop iOS and Android in C or C++?
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09-24-2012 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Neil S
Well when total system memory was measured in kB...
Meh that's not the point for me it's more along the lines of "why can't you have it it's not that hard...mostly policy related that it's not available".

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I keep one coming across quotes about Lisp being a spiritual experience once you "get it," and maybe no other language gives you such an effect
I get this effect from Prolog. Mostly because it's such a different paradigm for me (don't regularly code in a functional language I guess if I would it wouldn't be so radically different). It usually takes me a day or to before my brain switches to Prolog-mode but once it does it's like you're approaching things from a very different angle.
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