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03-04-2012 , 06:45 PM

#2701

Neil S

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I don't agree with that. The choices are not perfect or useless. Security never works that way.

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03-04-2012 , 07:10 PM

#2702

gaming_mouse

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Originally Posted by Neil S

I don't agree with that. The choices are not perfect or useless. Security never works that way.

i meant useless in the sense of "anything a human can read the AI can read too."

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03-04-2012 , 11:21 PM

#2703

MrWooster

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Originally Posted by iversonian

Is there a very dominant community forum for programmers like 2+2 is for poker players?

More web design than programming, but this is a very active forum that I am a member of: http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/forum.php

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03-05-2012 , 12:45 AM

#2704

jukofyork

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Originally Posted by greg nice

what the hell is the internet coming to

took me six tries to complete a forum search

Yeah +1

I seem to fail about 50% of the recaptcha captchas now.

Juk

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03-05-2012 , 08:31 AM

#2705

MinusEV

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We're at the point where the people who work on AI to interpret captchas for spamming purposes would probably make more money by just selling them as captcha-readers to people desperately trying to figure out what they say.

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03-05-2012 , 08:59 AM

#2706

wull

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lol yeah,
the new captcha test if you can't read it you gotta be human.

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03-05-2012 , 10:36 AM

#2707

myNameIsInga

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Anyone here do win32 development in Visual studio 2010? The lack of intellisense is really bothering me. Anyone know how to add that for c++/win32 in VS 2010?

Inga

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03-05-2012 , 12:44 PM

#2708

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Image based CAPTCHAs are really bad and there are much better ways of detecting auto submissions without inconveniencing the user.

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03-05-2012 , 12:53 PM

#2709

Gullanian

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Honeypots ftw, work super well for us. also just changing default registration/login page URLS if your using a forum/CMS is also incredibly simple and effective (we get hundreds of 404 requests to default pages for registration). We've added akismet on to our comment system as well and we're basically spam free now.

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03-05-2012 , 01:09 PM

#2710

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You could implement something similar to the CSFR checks. Embed a code in your 'registration' link, and only show the registration page if the code checks out. This would mean that you could only see the registration page if you have legitimately clicked on a 'register' link.

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03-05-2012 , 01:17 PM

#2711

Gullanian

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That's a cool idea hadn't thought of that, I would be a little nervous implementing something like that though in case people share registration links, but if you're inundated with spam it could be an idea

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03-05-2012 , 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWooster

so would the reg-link be determined by IP addy, so that they could only get one valid reg link per IP that they had?

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03-05-2012 , 02:05 PM

#2713

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Originally Posted by Gullanian

Hey Tom,

I looked up honeypots and found this: http://www.projecthoneypot.org/about_us.php

But I can't figure out what they are actually doing. Can you explain it?

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03-05-2012 , 02:07 PM

#2714

Larry Legend

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Originally Posted by _dave_

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56...ngame-1112918/

And these botters are making "some" attempts to not get detected. If they had free reign it would probably be significantly worse of a problem.

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03-05-2012 , 02:19 PM

#2715

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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse

Hey Tom,

I looked up honeypots and found this: http://www.projecthoneypot.org/about_us.php

But I can't figure out what they are actually doing. Can you explain it?

i believe its a crowd sourced list of spammer IPs that you can just ban straight from your htaccess

edit/nevermind looks a bit different

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03-05-2012 , 02:25 PM

#2716

clowntable

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I only know the concept of honeypot from regular security. Basically it's a deliberate weak system that catches the bad guys.
Dunno if/how it applies to spam-bots but my guess would be you allow spam on some subsite and banhammer the spammers somehow.

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03-05-2012 , 02:28 PM

#2717

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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse

so would the reg-link be determined by IP addy, so that they could only get one valid reg link per IP that they had?

The idea would be to have a link which looks like

Code:

http://example.com/register?check=[random code]

[random_code] would be a randomly generated hash that is also added to the users cookie.

When the user opens the 'registration' page, the 'check' parameter is tested for a) uniqueness and b) against the value in the user's cookie. If either a or b fail then the user is likely to be a bot.

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Originally Posted by Gullanian

This would def be an issue, but I guess you could always fall back on a CAPTCHA if the checks fail.

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03-05-2012 , 02:35 PM

#2718

Gullanian

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Wooster here's a blog post I wrote about honeypots and default pages:

http://www.scirra.com/blog/61/reducing-website-spam

And HN discussion:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3300135

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03-05-2012 , 02:49 PM

#2719

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Thanks for the link. I think I remember reading that when you first posted it. Excellent article, using a fake 'username' input is a really great idea.

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03-05-2012 , 02:51 PM

#2720

Larry Legend

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Have any of you guys gotten a degree from Harvard Extension School or hear anything about it?

I'm thinking I am going to go there for a masters in Spring of next year, I currently work within IT staffing, and I wanna get into IT.

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03-05-2012 , 06:49 PM

#2721

clowntable

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Last assignment done..500, weee
To answer the earlier question about the uglyness of class_eval...yeah it's that ugly. I felt the same when I used eval in a test.

Also Rspec test snippet from the last exercise:

Code:

it "should work for class Baz with methodname lolcat" do
    baz = Baz.new
    baz.lolcat = 'can i'
    baz.lolcat = 'haz'
    baz.lolcat = 'cheesburger?'
    baz.lolcat_history.should == [nil, 'can i', 'haz', 'cheesburger?']
end

Cause why not...I think I'll use lolcats in testing from here on out :P

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03-05-2012 , 07:28 PM

#2722

clowntable

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Also refactored hw1_3 to be less kludgy...time to start a new thread?

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03-05-2012 , 09:10 PM

#2723

gaming_mouse

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Originally Posted by clowntable

Also refactored hw1_3 to be less kludgy...time to start a new thread?

doooo eeeet!

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03-06-2012 , 03:41 AM

#2724

Neil S

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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse

i meant useless in the sense of "anything a human can read the AI can read too."

An AI can.

Not all AIs can.

It's wrong to assume that you don't achieve anything at all unless your system is impregnable to all possible opposition.

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03-06-2012 , 12:30 PM

#2725

MrWooster

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Hey all,

I have finally finished updating my landing page and was hoping to get some criticism. Some of the 'content' was written late last night, and needs to be tweaked, but the design is finished.

My aim was to create a page that looks good, and that is easy to navigate. I want someone to be able to land on the page, and quickly find the information they are seeking.

Note: The page doesnt work in IE at the moment.

The page is at http://guy.ht

Thanks in advance

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