I'm gonna be a mentor at this LA node school thing on Saturday: https://nodeschool.io/los-angeles/

Anyone else itt in LA want to come check it out?

My bad, it just seemed that way you made this lengthy post:

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Using a hash shold've automatic in your problem. Don't even need 5 minutes. But interesting how you were brought to your knees in 5 minutes:

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Well, considering you majored in CS, applied for a software engineering position but was made a PM, says something, no? You even admitted that you weren't a good dev. But when someone else says it, you get all offended?

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The examples of bad code/design I posted were written by devs with 10+ years more experience than me. Experience is CS isn't measured in years. Another bad dev assumption.

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Look in the mirror.

Oh man, I know next to nothing about Node (or really web dev in general), but would have loved to check it out and say hi. Unfortunately heading back to MN for a week for family stuff and will be gone.

Holy ****, soooo much this. Half my time the last couple years was spent explaining super simple (at least imo) things to Technologists and Senior Technologists.

kato we should hang PM me if you're down, I work downtown.

Lol good luck with that. I would never want to do the **** OPS people deal with.

Without getting too detailed, thread design to make optimal use of processor time is where effeciency is emphasized. Compiler optimizations for execution speed is relied upon heavily to improve execution times. Considering the type of problems that occur with race conditions and rogue pointers, straightforward code is very often the desired choice.

grim comes off a bit harsh but he did help create a fairly interesting discussion.

ofc, theres no reason to take some throwaway code from jmakin and attack him for it. thats just bs.

A hash will always be more efficient and likely more readable. Using a hash vs array, you're likely to remove at least one level of code nesting as well which is one of my big indicators of code smell.

Lol and it was a code snippet for a ****ing code golf problem so of course it’s gonna be wonky. If his only complaint about it is that I used an arraylist instead of a hashmap - LOL.

For that particular problem, which I had to code in at least 25 different styles, there were plenty of hashmap implementations. Some of them had problems due to it being a tremendous PITA sorting by values - which is what the problem required. In general if your problem requires you needing to sort something by values it makes less sense to use a hashmap in general and use an array. It’s definitely much messier using a map.

But again, this was a hw assignment (for code golf nonetheless) not production code. But surely a super stable genius like grim can understand this distinction and isnt grasping at straws here.

Jmakin, why don't you actually try to learn something instead defending your ****ty code? You act like your 12 years old.

Like I said, not open to improvement or criticism.

I usually try to avoid this kind of thing, but I feel like someone should tell you that your entire contribution to this conversation (not just with jmakin, but also with suzzer, e.g. "180k and can't do find_first_repeat in O(n)") is enormously and unnecessarily dickish. You are definitely not in a good position to criticize anyone else for acting immaturely. Speaking of traits that make for good devs, not being an ******* is definitely pretty high on my list. This is all just my opinion of course, you can take it for however little you think it's worth.

I'm not a dev whatsoever, so idk **** about any of that stuff, but I do agree that he seems unnecessarily dickish all the time. It seems pervasive on this site in general. And web discussions in general. I just don't ****ing get it. It's like being online makes everyone mean and angry. People are just so much meaner than they are irl, like they have a license to forego all human decency. I personally find it quite sad.

You guys are being too sensitive.

Generally this thread avoids that tone, which keeps it lively and doesn't run people off imo. Hopefully we can steer it back in that direction.

Lol I'm meeting tomorrow with a guy named D1ck F1ckl1ng about a job (replace the ones with i's obviously - don't really need this showing up on searches). For some reason his emails keep going to my junk mail folder. Can't imagine why.

My buddy introduced us with the Subject: Dick <> Matt. Yeah that's going straight to the spam folder. Glad I noticed it!

Exactly.

You don't get to troll and not expect a response from me. Then jmakin starts playing the victim like a little baby. What a joke.

Anyway, moving on.

We should have a separate thread for golf problems. Ideally 1-2 week and short (5-20 lines of python).

Can you hack it in Python to jam it all on one line or will it complain about the lack of whitespace?

I've been meaning to start using python more so I would try to contribute!

You can combine lines with semicolons but obviously you'll be stuck with a single indent level. I was a little surprised by this:

It does't print anything which seems to imply it's the same as
But I thought it would be

i.e. with print 'b' at the outter level, always getting run.

I don't think you can do if/else on the same line, and nesting ifs will probably get weird if it works at all

I don't care about the tone per se so my take is a bit different from others' but I do think it's problematic that you feel this way about other programmers and it's probably having a negative impact on your career even if you don't express this at work. Software development is a deep profession with lots of different ways to excel and lots of different types who add value in different ways. Even great people do stupid things - some of my colleagues are world-class at what they do, but it's not uncommon to find terrible code they've written years ago. If you've never written terrible code or never made terrible mistakes, the chance is that you haven't written that much code and not many people are using your software or looking your code.

I've said this before and this is what's challenging about hiring but there are so many things that you could make a plausible argument that everyone should know in order to be a great programmer. You could easiy get like 30-50% of all great programmers to agree that it's completely implausible for someone not to know X and be a great programmer. Yet, if you come up with a set of all such things, you will inevitably find that virtually no one knows everything in that set. You have to know enough of those things, but it's impossible to nail down what you need to know in order to be a great programmer.

So people do what people do - they self-servingly decide that what they do know is something important that every great programmer must know and everything they don't know is unimportant since clearly they are getting by fine without it. People don't know what they don't know and it's impossible to appreciate the importance of what they don't know. The less you know, the more you will tend to judge others by the few things you happen to know. This leads to a black-and-white view of the world where everyone who doesn't know X is a terrible programmer.

Candybar, this has been a long discussion, what is exactly is the context of your post? I did clarify if front-end devs hardly write non-trivial algorithms, then understanding code efficiency and how to write good algorithms may not be critical as it would seem. Next, the poor code/design written by senior devs is fair game for criticism. They're expected not to write the type of code I shared or write db schemas as the ones I described. That's the job. But I didn't share those stories as complaint toward coworkers, I shared them to illustrate how working code is not sufficient for it to be considered "good" code. Below is what wrote, to which suzzer asked for examples.

I think it's industry standard for a developer to view any code he hasn't personally written as bad.

That's bull****. As long as code has 2-space tabs and doesn't put opening curly braces on the next line, I can be very objective about it.

I have a round 2 that was going to be a take home assignment. Yay, I finally get some time to think things through and show my mad skillz.

BUT then it turned into this:

Ugh. Apparently they're also going to send the "test" (recruiter's words probably) 30 minutes ahead of time. That's almost worse.