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12-08-2015 , 07:23 AM
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If he's asking what will be in demand, or make me marketable, the graph is relevant. but that wasn't the question.
That's how I interpreted the question. If you're looking at getting back into the industry, "good" is whatever makes you most valuable, within reason.

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I'm not sure if Angular 2 has switched to the React philosophy or not.
If you mean unidirectional data flow, then yes, it has.

There's an article here giving a quick comparison of the two.
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12-08-2015 , 08:40 AM
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Heroku was pretty straight forward to set up. I think they support your stack.

Digital Ocean looks good as well, but I have no personal experience with it.
Thoughts on getting a raspberry pi and rolling your own server?

I had a pretty good time with it, granted I had a pretty simple setup, basic lamp server with the ability to do rails.

Disclaimer: I am not a web programmer
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12-08-2015 , 09:25 AM
Sure, that works. Or just buy/have someone donate an old computer or laptop to you. People go through laptops like smarties these days.

It's going to be harder to scale up in case you hit it big and attract a lot of traffic, but lets be honest, that's basically like winning the lottery and if that happens you can spend resources on scaling up.
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12-08-2015 , 10:39 AM
Don't host out of your house... DO is like $5 a month for low traffic.
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12-08-2015 , 01:10 PM
Digital Ocean is probably what you want.
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12-08-2015 , 01:12 PM
The days of trying to host game servers on a residential connection behind a router cured me of the desire to do any self-hosting.

Digital Ocean looks pretty much exactly what I need. Wouldn't have even thought that you could get hosting rated by the hour. If anyone has a referral, PM it to me.

Thanks for all of the input.
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12-08-2015 , 02:44 PM
If you just want to experiment then Heroku is free (for one worker) vs DO being 5/mo. If you're just experimenting then its hard to beat that price point.
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12-08-2015 , 03:00 PM
google has free (trial) webapp hosting for a couple months, i think
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12-08-2015 , 03:05 PM
I'm pondering this question: What disciplines have almost no young experts?

For example, in mathematics, poetry, literature, programming, chess, and poker -- it's not uncommon to find world class practitioners who are under 25, and even under 20. It got me thinking: is there anything that demands 15-20 years of experience to reach expert status, almost regardless of talent?
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12-08-2015 , 03:12 PM
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12-08-2015 , 04:07 PM
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Our data shows that companies are less likely to hire programmers coming from Java or C# backgrounds.
https://data.triplebyte.com/who-y-co...c88#.nvnoe89eq

Doh!

Last edited by Loki; 12-08-2015 at 04:08 PM. Reason: For y combinator companies only, tho
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12-08-2015 , 04:32 PM
what are Y combinator companies?
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12-08-2015 , 04:51 PM
Companies that are in Y Combinator.

https://www.ycombinator.com/
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12-08-2015 , 04:52 PM
Ycombinator is a startup incubator. They provide seed funding and guidance to select startups. They're one of the more successful early stage investors and widely regarded as the best incubator.

I'm not surprised Java and C# people are less likely to get hired at startups. Based on the people I've interviewed, the ones with only java experience tended to have poor creativity.

Creativity here defined as ability to be given a real world system to model and being unable to determine what needs to be built to enable it.

Given that those languages are enterprisey I think those candidates tend to be used to having clear detailed specs that startups just don't have very often.
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12-08-2015 , 04:54 PM
So I started learning c++ after programming (non professionally) for like 4 years. Mostly just want to see what the fuss is about and don't like not having exposure to popular things that most people encounter in college. Yay or nay?

So far it seems completely vanilla to me. I learned a bit about pointers when messing around with C and assembly. When does it start to get hard? Or is it only hard for college kids who have to learn pointers and object oriented design the night before a project is due?

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It got me thinking: is there anything that demands 15-20 years of experience to reach expert status, almost regardless of talent?
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12-08-2015 , 05:20 PM
"hard" is subjective.

If you don't find pointers and memory managment and object oriented design using pointers and memory managment hard, then no language is going to be hard for you.

C++ is harder than other modern languages cause its easier to shoot yourself in the foot with it. But it's not rocket surgery. C++ was the default language for CS101 and 201 when I was in university, which meant it was often the first language a lot of CS students encountered. After all, the basics of programming in any language isn't very hard to grasp. The hard part is making complex systems those languages.

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12-08-2015 , 05:47 PM
Music. In the piano world, you started "late" if you began at 8 years old. Granted, some 16 year olds play well, but they don't sound mature until after 25 or so.
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12-08-2015 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
I'm pondering this question: What disciplines have almost no young experts?

For example, in mathematics, poetry, literature, programming, chess, and poker -- it's not uncommon to find world class practitioners who are under 25, and even under 20. It got me thinking: is there anything that demands 15-20 years of experience to reach expert status, almost regardless of talent?
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Music. In the piano world, you started "late" if you began at 8 years old. Granted, some 16 year olds play well, but they don't sound mature until after 25 or so.
Definitely this. Also, in the more rational sphere for want of a better term, there are no child prodigies in contract bridge. Bridge requires perspective, the ability to think globally, to sort through heaps of data and pull out the key bits that are important. There's a lot of counterfactual thinking as well where you reason about what you would have done in a given spot.

I definitely recommend learning bridge if you get the opportunity btw, I think it's the best game in the world.
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12-08-2015 , 07:01 PM
I'm skeptical that contract bridge really couldn't have child prodigies as opposed to just doesn't have any.

Is Bridge significantly and fundamentally different than poker?
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12-08-2015 , 07:32 PM
Wasn't Mozart composing symphonies as a preteen? Or is that exaggerated?
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12-08-2015 , 07:50 PM
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I'm skeptical that contract bridge really couldn't have child prodigies as opposed to just doesn't have any.
Yep there are good young players.


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Is Bridge significantly and fundamentally different than poker?
Absolutely, for one it is a partnership game. Two information on the conventions used by your partnership in bidding, etc. must be declared to your opponents.
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12-08-2015 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
For example, in mathematics, poetry, literature, programming, chess, and poker -- it's not uncommon to find world class practitioners who are under 25, and even under 20. It got me thinking: is there anything that demands 15-20 years of experience to reach expert status, almost regardless of talent?
I think most of what you've mentioned requires 15-20 years of experience, if not extreme dedication - it's just that world-class practitioners often start very early and kids have fewer obligations, which means each year they have is much longer than each year that older people - even teenagers - have.

I think part of the reason that people appear to peak early in a lot of these fields is lack of financial rewards associated with mastery beyond a certain point. It seems to me that athletes peak much later in professional sports than in amateur sports and most fields are closer to amateur sports in terms of payoffs associated with mastery than to professional sports. Once you have a family and such, it's probably not particularly rewarding to push the boundaries of your performance in any of those domains.
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12-08-2015 , 08:32 PM
Learning vim has Gotta be one of the more painful things I've done

I can see its advantages, but it's painful to use for a beginner
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12-08-2015 , 08:39 PM
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Learning vim has Gotta be one of the more painful things I've done

I can see its advantages, but it's painful to use for a beginner

probably relevant to you: http://yehudakatz.com/2010/07/29/eve...vim-was-wrong/
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12-08-2015 , 08:46 PM
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Learning vim has Gotta be one of the more painful things I've done

I can see its advantages, but it's painful to use for a beginner
that article about y combinator hires i linked earlier points out that people who use vim get hired to their startups more frequently than people who use emacs :shrug:
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