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11-17-2014 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Anais
I.e., would it be easier just to buy a windows ultra portable and not faff about with multiple OS installs?
I've been dual booting for a while now but on a desktop, not Chromebook.

It's really not a hassle at all. If you use a tool like http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-mu...t-usb-creator/ you can even put multiple OSes on a single USB stick.
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11-17-2014 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tercet
Hey Guys

Im looking for int web dev jobs(jobs that are mostly front end with some back end).. and Im 0/8 so far in jobs applications(over about a month)..

Any pointers from my personal website/portfolio and my resume? Thanks

http://chrisstephensj.com/
http://chrisstephensj.com/home/files...hensResume.pdf
This seems useful (click through to the actual slideshare that was posted; apparently slideshare is banned here):

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8582793

A few other things:

High school seems way out of place on your resume since it make you seem older for no good reason. I'd also get rid of a reference to your age. Your resume may be reviewed by a 23-24 year old who may hold your age against you because it doesn't match their naive perception of a career where you move up in a straight line as you get older.

"Computer Programmer Diploma" seems oddly evasive and non-standard - what's the specific degree, what's the actual concentration/major and what was your average grade? What relevant courses have you taken? What class projects did you work on? There should be a lot of samples on the internet about how to write about your education in your resume.

Also, at this point in your career, you have to discuss not just what you did in general, but get into details about what specifically you did and how you accomplished the tasks. The details don't have to be representative of your entire job - just write about specific, interesting things you did, that paint a positive picture. What specific bugs did you find? What techniques did you use? How did you access SQL Server from C#? What specific functionalities of jQuery did you use? How did you achieve responsive design? What Photoshop plugins did you use? It's okay to repeat yourself even if some of this information may be on your website, portfolio or cover letter because frankly a lot of people won't read beyond the resume. Be technical and specific - non-technical readers of your resume will gloss over the part that's overly technical, but even they will give you points for writing about things they don't understand.

I'm also not a fan of putting a photo on your web site if its primary purpose is to be linked from your resume/job-application - it's much more likely to eliminate you than lead to anything. If it serves more as a branding/business/networking site, it's more defensible.
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11-17-2014 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by candybar
I'm also not a fan of putting a photo on your web site if its primary purpose is to be linked from your resume/job-application - it's much more likely to eliminate you than lead to anything. If it serves more as a branding/business/networking site, it's more defensible.
I think you and Dave both have given good advice, but I want to add I disagree with the criticism of the photo.

I appreciate seeing a photo, and think it signals good things like openness and comfort with yourself. Obviously, a bad photo or a photo where you have an ass-holish or overly serious expression isn't a good idea, but a photo that makes you look like a friendly person is a positive.
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11-17-2014 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tercet
Javascript is what I was working on the most over the last 2-3 months, angular, more jquery etc.
Good lord, if you have any AngularJS experience, you have to mention it.

I also really don't like your skills section - it tries to be fancy/different but mostly comes across as an amateur attempt to fill up the page. The fonts are also way too big. Resumes in general need to be conservative because you're not going to win anyone over with a nice resume; you're just trying to get past the filters.
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11-17-2014 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
I think you and Dave both have given good advice, but I want to add I disagree with the criticism of the photo.

I appreciate seeing a photo, and think it signals good things like openness and comfort with yourself. Obviously, a bad photo or a photo where you have an ass-holish or overly serious expression isn't a good idea, but a photo that makes you look like a friendly person is a positive.
I would add that if you were going to put up a photo, the particular one he put up would rank pretty high. But the payoffs are asymmetric because resume screening is a game of elimination where you have to satisfy a lot of different people and most people tend to assume the best without seeing any actual photo. Some people may be prejudiced against a professional look, others may think anything short of a dress shirt is unprofessional. Some may want to see a good looking person, others may be jealous or simply buy into the nerdy, unkempt programmer stereotype. Hell, you may simply happen to remind the HR person of a creepy ex. In short, a photo basically invites all kinds of prejudice into a process where one of many people can eliminate you based on a personal whim.
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11-17-2014 , 01:24 PM
+1 to candybar about photo.
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11-17-2014 , 01:43 PM
I would like to see actual proof on photo being good or bad.
Everyone is really just pulling things out of their ass.

If company or startup judges on picture, who wants to work there and you guys are making it seem like its a challenge to get an interview.

Have some decent projects on github with linkedin listing your knowledge and you can get an interview period if you're professional about requesting the job.

Like I can only imagine how many people get their application thrown in the trash over how they look...

Maybe if you're pierced everywhere with tats showing, heck I just have a linkedin photo of me with tshirt and jeans sitting by desk. Same goes for other people I have added on linkedin.

edit: "The world begins when you get out of your comfort zone"
I used to have no photo but everyone had a photo, so i added one btw and really would like to see proof before the bandwagon leaves. I may delete it

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11-17-2014 , 01:51 PM
My consulting/github page has a picture of me wearing a hat and t-shirt. I'm also not the most photogenic person in the world. I don't think people really care.

I always prefer to see a photo, good or bad.
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11-17-2014 , 01:59 PM
I can have more detailed feedback later, but first impressions:

You show some screenshots and list technologies. That puts you in competition with a million other people with almost the exact same looking resume/portfolio who are 100% ctrl-f find and replace coders. They don't understand anything, the basis of their experience is downloading bootstrap and changing "Bootstrap 3" to "First Last".

Instead of listing out technologies and showing a screenshot or two, show a screenshot and then a small code sample that represents something like the: A) hardest challenge on the project B) bug that you figured out C) something you think is cool and maybe a bit complex. And then write out an analysis about that code sample and why it is significant and your thought process in creating it.

At our digital agency, when recently had a req to bring on someone similar to your background, we were absolutely inundated with resume/profiles that looked exactly like yours. One of the first things I did was look at what the person was using on their personal profile, little things like "Is this 99.99% bootstrap" "Is this a $15 wordpress theme", etc. If the site is something that you can create in 10 mins, the content on the site is incredibly important.

As it stands, I have read through your portfolio/resume and I have absolutely no idea if you have any actual experience or it is just ctrl-f replacing text.
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11-17-2014 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by iosys
I would like to see actual proof on photo being good or bad.
Everyone is really just pulling things out of their ass.
I don't have detailed proof, especially for photos, but there have been studies done on name and gender discrimination.

Here's one from very quick googling: http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html I also remember reading fairly recently how some 'big name' person has names removed from resumes they review to avoid any sort of implicit bias.

It's also common sense, imo. But I acknowledge that common sense isn't always right.
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11-17-2014 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
I don't have detailed proof, especially for photos, but there have been studies done on name and gender discrimination.

Here's one from very quick googling: http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html I also remember reading fairly recently how some 'big name' person has names removed from resumes they review to avoid any sort of implicit bias.

It's also common sense, imo. But I acknowledge that common sense isn't always right.
I like that you actually linked me something but that isn't really what I asked for in my post.

I'm skeptical if it really is common sense but just people self conscious about their appearance which results in, I'm not putting a photo up and I need to figure something out in my mind that reflects another reason. <- exactly what I don't like, just an opinion.

Racial and Gender discrimination will exist without a photo somewhere down the line and might as well get not hired if that exists where you are applying.
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11-17-2014 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by iosys
Maybe if you're pierced everywhere with tats showing, heck I just have a linkedin photo of me with tshirt and jeans sitting by desk. Same goes for other people I have added on linkedin.

edit: "The world begins when you get out of your comfort zone"
I used to have no photo but everyone had a photo, so i added one btw and really would like to see proof before the bandwagon leaves. I may delete it
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Originally Posted by Shoe Lace
My consulting/github page has a picture of me wearing a hat and t-shirt. I'm also not the most photogenic person in the world. I don't think people really care.

I always prefer to see a photo, good or bad.
Context is important. A photo is great if you're using it in a general networking context, whether actively befriending people, meeting people for coffee, etc. If you frequently approach people on a social networking site, you're more likely to have responses if you add details that make you seem like a real person. Likewise, if you're directly contacting hiring managers who won't delegate screening to others, it probably won't hurt much. But a typical job application scenario is very odd from a normal human interaction standpoint, especially if you don't already have a lead. It's a weird process where your resume gets passed around like a piece of meat in an impersonal, slightly dehumanizing way. You're much more like a an animal in a zoo than a real person.
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11-17-2014 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by candybar
Context is important. A photo is great if you're using it in a general networking context, whether actively befriending people, meeting people for coffee, etc. If you frequently approach people on a social networking site, you're more likely to have responses if you add details that make you seem like a real person. Likewise, if you're directly contacting hiring managers who won't delegate screening to others, it probably won't hurt much. But a typical job application scenario is very odd from a normal human interaction standpoint, especially if you don't already have a lead. It's a weird process where your resume gets passed around like a piece of meat in an impersonal, slightly dehumanizing way. You're much more like a an animal in a zoo than a real person.
Woah, where are you guys applying and why do you think that way when you're all computer science guys. One of the main benefits is walking around with a hoodie or whatever at work.

I can see marketing or business majors posting this crap but you guys?
Move to California already and if you can code, you won't be disappointed.
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11-17-2014 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by iosys
I like that you actually linked me something but that isn't really what I asked for in my post.

I'm skeptical if it really is common sense but just people self conscious about their appearance which results in, I'm not putting a photo up and I need to figure something out in my mind that reflects another reason. <- exactly what I don't like, just an opinion.

Racial and Gender discrimination will exist without a photo somewhere down the line and might as well get not hired if that exists where you are applying.
My point was more that there are all sorts of biases out there that have a real effect on how a person is viewed by a potential employer. Many of which are well documented. A photo will obviously reinforce or expose numerous traits that are the subject to bias while almost never reinforcing or exposing a relevant technical skill.

The 'self-conscious' theory seems like a strange leap to make, imo.

Edit: For the record, my picture was up for a long time on the company website and its attached to my Github/Twitter/etc. profiles. But if somebody is doing that detailed of a check on me for a job then I'm much less worried about the implicit biases they have because they're almost certainly past the first screening step and are doing a more in-depth look at me.
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11-17-2014 , 03:10 PM
iosys, What candybar is talking about happens in California too. And I have no idea where your comment about hoodies comes from.
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11-17-2014 , 03:12 PM
Yea and I'm also not sure how your major in college relates to the hiring process, which by the time you are responsible for that you are seemingly many years removed from whatever you did in college.
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11-17-2014 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
My point was more that there are all sorts of biases out there that have a real effect on how a person is viewed by a potential employer. Many of which are well documented. A photo will obviously reinforce or expose numerous traits that are the subject to bias while almost never reinforcing or exposing a relevant technical skill.
you've made a good argument for strategically including a photo (or not) based on the biases your own looks elicit.
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11-17-2014 , 03:42 PM
That is true. I was hoping people wouldn't notice.

Although my personal opinion is that I don't want to do things that might take advantage of other people's conscious or unconscious racism/sexism and so "for the greater good" I will also not include my picture.

Edit: Although it might not be that simple. Part of the screening phase is very negative oriented. People can usually be removed by a single person but are only moved forward by a consensus of everyone. It's possible that certain features exist that are net positives to your overall appeal but in fact hurt your chances of getting through the process. Sort of like a modified version of Yegge's interview anti-loop.
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11-17-2014 , 03:46 PM
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iosys, What candybar is talking about happens in California too. And I have no idea where your comment about hoodies comes from.
Friends work in California, I worked in Austin TX and I was actually just a payed intern that is now going back to School in Michigan. I was interning for a year and a half which was really sweet because I got to work on really cool research things. Everyone of my peers has landed a job after school pretty easy and I'm just surprised by the negativity in replies.

The hoodie remark is from not having to care about what I had to wear everyday. A guy I know from online forum, had similar experience as me but he is full time employed now and said that it was easy to get an interview with google but no dice landing a job there.

I'm into mobile development and not web design so yah...
Also can make desktop apps with java that communicate with nodejs server which mobile apps can do the same. Lots of cool stuff and no time to stop learning, basically jump to one project to the next and put them in github with a linkedin account.
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11-17-2014 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by iosys
Woah, where are you guys applying and why do you think that way when you're all computer science guys. One of the main benefits is walking around with a hoodie or whatever at work.

I can see marketing or business majors posting this crap but you guys?
Move to California already and if you can code, you won't be disappointed.
What does being able to wear a hoodie have to do with the manner in which your resume gets passed around? I'm not saying you will be judged on your appearance per se - a typical resume does not give the screener an easy way to judge the candidate's appearance. Btw, I have very little experience as a job candidate and where I'm speaking from experience, it's almost entirely from the other side of the table.

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you've made a good argument for strategically including a photo (or not) based on the biases your own looks elicit.
Again, the bias is asymmetric - looks can't really qualify you for a technical position. Besides, technical people are not usually known for their ability to judge the emotional response to their appearance.
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11-17-2014 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by candybar
What does being able to wear a hoodie have to do with the manner in which your resume gets passed around? I'm not saying you will be judged on your appearance per se - a typical resume does not give the screener an easy way to judge the candidate's appearance. Btw, I have very little experience as a job candidate and where I'm speaking from experience, it's almost entirely from the other side of the table.



Again, the bias is asymmetric - looks can't really qualify you for a technical position. Besides, technical people are not usually known for their ability to judge the emotional response to their appearance.
I've had the opportunity to get people hired from school and what I typically go by is asking them; what exactly excites you and what project you did, created that emotion.

You find out who is good quick that way.
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11-17-2014 , 03:56 PM
iosys, There are better ways to hire people than the traditional resumes/screening/interview bull****. Definitely. I doubt anyone here disagrees with that.

But if that's not available to you - or its not available to you for a job that you want, you're usually stuck with the ****ty old fashioned way.

Also, just because somebody got a job doesn't mean they weren't hurt by discrimination. The study I linked to showed that the difference was between 10 and 15 call backs. If those were real people the person only getting 10 call backs might never even know that they missed out on 5 potential jobs.
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11-17-2014 , 04:00 PM
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iosys, There are better ways to hire people than the traditional resumes/screening/interview bull****. Definitely. I doubt anyone here disagrees with that.

But if that's not available to you - or its not available to you for a job that you want, you're usually stuck with the ****ty old fashioned way.

Also, just because somebody got a job doesn't mean they weren't hurt by discrimination. The study I linked to showed that the difference was between 10 and 15 call backs. If those were real people the person only getting 10 call backs might never even know that they missed out on 5 potential jobs.
I'm just surprised by people saying it is the old fashioned way then for programmers.
Maybe I have rose color glasses on but I just haven't had someone I knew complain about landing a job. Social circle helps a lot from university is what I'll lastly write.
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11-17-2014 , 04:02 PM
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Everyone of my peers has landed a job after school pretty easy and I'm just surprised by the negativity in replies.
It's not hard to get a job, but if it's too easy, the chance is you're not selective enough or asking enough for what you bring to the table.

It's kind of like dating. Since we're talking about looks already, you know how even super-attractive people annoyingly complain about how hard it is to find the right man/woman/furry/whatever? They are not saying it's hard to find anybody, what they are saying is that their standards are so high that most people who are interested in them don't even register as potentials.
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11-17-2014 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by candybar
It's not hard to get a job, but if it's too easy, the chance is you're not selective enough or asking enough for what you bring to the table.

It's kind of like dating. Since we're talking about looks already, you know how even super-attractive people annoyingly complain about how hard it is to find the right man/woman/furry/whatever? They are not saying it's hard to find anybody, what they are saying is that their standards are so high that most people who are interested in them don't even register as potentials.
I'm getting the opposite impression from people and assume close to 100k for first year is what people would be happy with. I was happy getting paid the upper 58% of that for interning and would probably work for that elsewhere but some people really care about money.

I only thought senior developers make 150-300k
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