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10-03-2013 , 12:36 PM
are you guys gaslighting me? i see no picture at all....
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10-03-2013 , 01:45 PM
I have never heard the phrase "gaslighting me".
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10-04-2013 , 01:01 AM
I have, though this is probably the lightest use of the term I've ever seen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

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Gaslighting is a form of mental abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making a victim doubt his or her own memory, perception and sanity.
(there is a picture btw)
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10-04-2013 , 07:14 AM
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I have never heard the phrase "gaslighting me".
...and so the count of things i have taught jjshabado increases, yet again, by one.
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10-04-2013 , 12:34 PM
i lol'd
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10-04-2013 , 01:53 PM
I cried.

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10-04-2013 , 11:54 PM
I learned something new today: Salesforce is not a profitable company.
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10-05-2013 , 12:56 AM
You learned that!?

They are the SaaS financial analysis revolutionaries, Chrun COCA, LTV, all the numbers that matter more than profit, and why it can be justified.

Moneyball for Silicon Valley
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10-05-2013 , 01:24 AM
The irony is that Salesforce spends over half its money on sales & marketing. I thought the software was supposed to help with client discovery, conversion, and retention. They must not be using their own software in house?

I noticed you wrote "Coca," perhaps referencing Coca Cola. They use Sugar CRM and Coca Cola has been in the black for 100 years. Interesting when you think about it.
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10-05-2013 , 01:45 AM
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They use HFCS CRM
fyp
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10-05-2013 , 02:36 AM
That's awesome. LOL
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10-05-2013 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
The irony is that Salesforce spends over half its money on sales & marketing. I thought the software was supposed to help with client discovery, conversion, and retention. They must not be using their own software in house?

I noticed you wrote "Coca," perhaps referencing Coca Cola. They use Sugar CRM and Coca Cola has been in the black for 100 years. Interesting when you think about it.
Their sales force cost is indeed irony squared. It's just a crappy company that makes crappy software. Their brand name is solid though.
Sugar CRM fairly solid imo
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10-05-2013 , 03:24 PM
xposted on bfi: Guys, I've built a few iOS apps and I want to build more mobile apps as entrepreneurial side projects. I'm currently at an MS CS program at a school with a pretty good industrial design program, and I'm going to look for a designer to partner with. Assuming we split profits, what would be a fair split? I believe, although correct me if I'm wrong, that in general iOS devs earn more/have any easier time finding jobs than designers, however I'm not sure whether entrepreneurial splits tend to reflect that in these cases. Any thoughts from people with experience in these kinds of things would be appreciated.

Also, I have some exp doing marketing so that could play a role.
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10-05-2013 , 04:11 PM
Marketing? Who needs marketing when you have Salesforce?
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10-05-2013 , 05:51 PM
Offer a fair split for the first app. Good designers are really hard to come by, design matters a decent bit for iOS apps (imo) but in return ROI is higher than for Android (imo). Kind of depends on the app as well but assuming a non-trivial amount of design work 70-30 to 60-40 in your favour would be my range.

The key is not making that one killer app but rather a stream of fresh ones that bring in a decent clip each. At least I think that's preferable and can be a good income stream for a two man operation. This means good relations and an established workflow with the same designer are worth something so lean on the fairer than fair side if in doubt (imo)

You'll obviously anchor expectations to some degree with your first offer but if you can show the work split is out of whack and the first app was kind of a success anyways you can shift %ages quite a bit if need be.
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10-05-2013 , 09:03 PM
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Its almost like (if not) an old monitor connection. Looks similar to this
15 pin serial port? http://www.hitacs.com/en/cabling/392...emale-15m.html

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10-06-2013 , 12:09 AM
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Offer a fair split for the first app. Good designers are really hard to come by, design matters a decent bit for iOS apps (imo) but in return ROI is higher than for Android (imo). Kind of depends on the app as well but assuming a non-trivial amount of design work 70-30 to 60-40 in your favour would be my range.

The key is not making that one killer app but rather a stream of fresh ones that bring in a decent clip each. At least I think that's preferable and can be a good income stream for a two man operation. This means good relations and an established workflow with the same designer are worth something so lean on the fairer than fair side if in doubt (imo)

You'll obviously anchor expectations to some degree with your first offer but if you can show the work split is out of whack and the first app was kind of a success anyways you can shift %ages quite a bit if need be.
This seems reasonable. Am I getting more because the design usually takes less time, because designers tend to get paid less, or a bit of both?

I don't think it's possible to bring in a decent clip from each simply because from the few apps I've done, it seems the sales/downloads are heavily skewed. That said, we still don't need home runs, just have to make enough apps and have several that do fairly well.
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10-06-2013 , 12:13 AM
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Marketing? Who needs marketing when you have Salesforce?
I may be using marketing as a blanket term, but the biz side is very important. It includes things like monetizing your users, how to handle a mailing list so that you can sell stuff to them without them feeling like you're a spammer, how to identify what apps to build based on what you see on the app store, etc.
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10-06-2013 , 05:31 AM
Yes development is usually "harder" than design and most designers agree. There are exceptions of course, noteably games that rely a ton on character/level design and are not that hard engine wise (like say a point and click adventure game...it could be reasonable to go 30/70)
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10-06-2013 , 05:59 AM
Has anyone bothered to install Linux on a Chromebook. I'm tempted to give it a shot, but it appears many of the screens are too small and the largest is 14 inch. Yech!

I'm also tempted to contact Lenovo and get a computer w/o an OS. I wonder if they are willing to do so.
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10-06-2013 , 08:49 PM
Why not put one together off new egg or something?
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10-06-2013 , 09:39 PM
I find this video endlessly fascinating. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPRA0W1kECg

(Might want to turn the mute on, though)
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10-06-2013 , 09:43 PM
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Why not put one together off new egg or something?
Neweqq offers Hansung and HP. I never heard of Hansung, and I've had bad experiences with HP / Compaq.

Plus those prices are insane for the specs. It would be cheaper to go to Best Buy and get something new. I'll never buy "refurbished" aka "used" again:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ating%20system

*also, HP / Compaq keyboards are plain horrible. Why would I want to use keys that stick and feel like they are going to fall out?

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10-07-2013 , 04:35 PM
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Has anyone bothered to install Linux on a Chromebook. I'm tempted to give it a shot, but it appears many of the screens are too small and the largest is 14 inch. Yech!

I'm also tempted to contact Lenovo and get a computer w/o an OS. I wonder if they are willing to do so.
I could recommend an Asus netbook (Xubuntu here can prob go even more lightweight) depending on what you need it for. I hook it up to a decent monitor and actually develop stuff in Eclipse.

Used to offer double the ram if you drop Windows which I snapcalled ldo...but some Asus have Linux issues def. need to research a bit before either way.

Edit: Algorithm video is fantastic. Checking out LSD radix now...looks fun.

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10-07-2013 , 09:29 PM
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I could recommend an Asus netbook (Xubuntu here can prob go even more lightweight) depending on what you need it for. I hook it up to a decent monitor and actually develop stuff in Eclipse.

Used to offer double the ram if you drop Windows which I snapcalled ldo...but some Asus have Linux issues def. need to research a bit before either way.
Yeah, I'll probably be researching for a few months... Maybe I'll just dual-boot. If I'm going to pay more than $500 for a computer, I want something that I will enjoy using, which is why I was considering a Chromebook with another OS.

The Lenovo I have is made of brushed metal, costs half the price, and is 2x faster and more stable than the i7 Dells they have at my work. Not sure if that is a hardware / architecture thing. I honestly can't think of a single computer I L-Worded except for this one, and it still feels and works great after a year of heavy throttling. I'm addicted to these scissor keyboards.

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Edit: Algorithm video is fantastic. Checking out LSD radix now...looks fun.
Yeah, radix sort is my favorite, since I know I'd never figure that one out myself, plus it is super handy to know about in Excel.

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