This is why I ended my point of the debate. I'm not interested in arguing a silly empty point. I thought he honestly believed he was making a real point and was responding accordingly.

For me it boils down to the fact that CS is more readable than JS. List comprehension alone is almost worth it imo.

The power of most languages is the same if you strip practicability or ease of use from the definition. Being Turing complete.

I think you're looking at it from the wrong angle. You posted something along the lines of "JS is fairly powerfull and not much harder than CS so why not just learn JS". I think you implicitly assume that people would rather learn CS than JS (avid learning JS by "just" picking up CS). My mindset is more along the lines of "if you know JS it makes sense to invest in learning CS because you can do JS but in a more elegant (imo) fassion"

OK I just looked at Coffeescript. Pardon the vernacular, but LOL at the idea that one would learn some functional language out of laziness.

My persistence in defending my point had little to do with the topic of conversation.

It had everything to do with the insulting and condescending tone of responses from people who were clearly wrong.

Another good answer. Thank you.

Yes. This is the reasoning for my original question.

Holy hell man. Stop whining. I didn't intend to be condescending, but if it came across that way so be it. I suggest growing thicker skin if you want to be active on the internet or have a career involving engineers.

And lol - at "clearly wrong".

Thanks. I ended doing a variation of #1, it was a lot easier than I expected - http://linuxhostingsupport.net/blog/...atabase-server

Yes, lol at its apparent lack of clarity, indeed.

i think that's the most insulting condescending thing i've read in this entire thread

NERD FIGHT!

lol

There was a long JS vs CS conversation in some JS thread a few months ago.

It starts at post #36:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...33/index3.html

Cliffnotes:
You're alienating yourself from most JS developers if you think about using CS. This is a stone cold fact.

I'm also alienating myself from most Java developers if I use Python.

i thought it was more of a warm mushy one.

Talk to me when Python only compiles into some form of Java that's somehow even more verbose than hand written Java, then also throw in some weird syntax that no one ever uses for good measure.

But wait, there's more!

Now let's add pretty much nothing to the language and just follow certain standards that you could already follow without using this hypothetical Python.

That is basically what CS does for JS.

It's so hard that it can cut diamonds.

Computer languages seem kind of like religions, in that a large part of the reason some languages becomes popular isn't because they're any good. Rather a language spreads when it's adoptees are convinced to convert everybody to the "true language". Let the language wars continue.

It's neat how you think what something compiles into is actually relevant to anything.

This isn't a language war tho. CS doesn't do anything that JS cannot do. It just compiles down into JS but it's compiled down in a way that's unreasonable to expect anyone to read it.

It's neat how irrelevant your first post was comparing Python to Java. I knew I should have just let it sit haha.

This is why I don't post here much anymore. You guys are ridiculous.

Yeah, only ******s use C++, because it can't do anything assembly language can't do, but is done so in a way that nobody can actually read.

Clojure or something that only/mainly compiles to the JVM would have been a better example.

But I think the point is pretty moot the people that are "doing it right" will know JS anyways and CS is just a complement that lets them get the same stuff done faster/more elegantly whatever the reasoning may be.

Clearly everyone should just use
Magic the Gathering as a Turing machine

It's only a better example if what something compiles to is relevant.

And I wonder if that Turing machine is actually possible to create from an actual initial game state. Assuming cooperative opponents obviously.

Just migrated my mulit-module java enterprise project to maven, got my workmate up to speed with it and his own working development environment. Stressful month to say the least. It was so hard balancing that and both of trying to add new functionality at the same time. Feels great!

I'd give your post a vi out of 10.

Should have used ant.

Language Wars!

Oh boy... :S

I use maven also, why ant?