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09-24-2012 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
I find the part about it being lisp all the way down a ******ed argument. Lisp already compiles to C. What's the difference between Lisp -> JVM or CLR?
This is a blind guess since I know little about Clojure, but what I gathered from his post I was assuming calling Java libraries in Clojure is a thing you do. The difference then is that your code actually includes Java code, while a Common-lisp program that compiles to C doesn't necessarily include any C code in the parts you actually write.
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09-24-2012 , 04:49 PM
This really made me laugh... about a guy who sells a laptop to a Nigerian scammer http://www.notla.com/archives/2010/0...omment-page-2/
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09-25-2012 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
FWIW, I finally hit a situation where I have to create a macro! Actually, I should be creating a few of them. Unfortunately, I'm too lazy to learn how to create one today, so I'm pooping out a working answer. This project is turning into a massive cluster-****, though it's not illogical and hard to maintain yet. What a crazy learning experience.

So far, I have 1800 LOC in Clojure, plus 200 LOC in CSS which will probably explode to 400 - 500, and about 1000 LOC of SQL.

About 3000 LOC. I suspect the total tally will be between 5000 and 6000 LOC.

The best part: Absolutely no js/jQuery. So no code bloat.
Maybe I missed it or maybe you haven't said, but what are you building? You gonna show us when you're finished?

That should be a rule around here -- if you talk about it or ask questions, you gotta show it when you're done
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09-25-2012 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by sdturner02
Maybe I missed it or maybe you haven't said, but what are you building? You gonna show us when you're finished?

That should be a rule around here -- if you talk about it or ask questions, you gotta show it when you're done
I would be unfair to the paid advertisers if I showed the product, but I'm creating a website. It's a job engine. I think the solutions that currently exist suck and I think I've figured out a decent solution. The initial release is going to be way under-engineered, but that's by design. For this reason, there are many design decisions that may be inelegant but relatively easy to change <- my lame excuse to cover the fact that I don't know what I'm doing.

I agree with the rule most of the time though: it would be interesting to see completed, non-sensitive projects. I really want to see that 300 LOC project in the other thread.
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09-25-2012 , 01:52 AM
Sounds cool man. Hope we get to see it sometime.

Oh, and what 300 LOC project are you talking about? Clicked around for a bit and didn't notice?
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09-25-2012 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
<- my lame excuse to cover the fact that I don't know what I'm doing.
Fwiw, I almost never know what I'm doing either. I just chip away at projects by googling one small problem after another until it works. You wouldn't believe how much I've learned/accomplished doing that (actually, I'd bet good money you do know about how much).
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09-25-2012 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Xhad
This is a blind guess since I know little about Clojure, but what I gathered from his post I was assuming calling Java libraries in Clojure is a thing you do. The difference then is that your code actually includes Java code, while a Common-lisp program that compiles to C doesn't necessarily include any C code in the parts you actually write.
Maybe in 2009 this was a bigger issue than it is now. For the most part, there is a DSL wrapper that obscures the Java interop and there really isn't many instances where you'd want to call Java directly al'a java.factory.bean.string.io...

4Clojure does have a direct java call and mix-in on the login area for hashing. This is now an unneeded step these days because bcrypt is built into Noir (and probably other frameworks).

It's a difficult to describe, but if you never know about the JVM, it's unlikely you'd ever be lost on what to do, and you'd almost never know about the issue, even while working databases with the JDBC.
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09-25-2012 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by sdturner02
Sounds cool man. Hope we get to see it sometime.

Oh, and what 300 LOC project are you talking about? Clicked around for a bit and didn't notice?
Huh. I don't see the thread anymore. There was a thread with a title about OOP in the title.

I'm afraid to show it off because the more I think of it, the more people will say "really? That's all it is?"

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09-25-2012 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by sdturner02
Fwiw, I almost never know what I'm doing either. I just chip away at projects by googling one small problem after another until it works. You wouldn't believe how much I've learned/accomplished doing that (actually, I'd bet good money you do know about how much).
Yes, I've learned the optimal way to copy/paste code from many different webpages...

I'd say about 75% of what I've learned has been through using my noodle, 20% from copy/paste/rewrite and 5% from this book. Honestly, there is not hand-holding and changing things here or there creates a quagmire more often than not.
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09-25-2012 , 02:12 AM
Maybe I'm crazy but Clojure is gaining some momentum for me because I'm looking for some language to interface with Prolog. Most Prolog engines including the one I use have connectors to Java and some to C++ and there's some experimental ones for other languages (SWI has one for Python that is very beta-ish iirc).

Since I'm too lazy to build a connector myself (I checked the documentation and it would require a bunch of learning/time) I'm "stuck" with JVM stuff. We are currently using JAVA but for my own projects I want to use something that is more fun. At the very least Groovy (which I have never used but assume is a more Pythony JAVA) but why not just go with Clojure, right?

Edit: Not exactly programming but....
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/24/tesla-supercharger/

My desire to get a Model S has suddenly increased quite a bit. They seem to "get it".
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09-25-2012 , 02:24 AM
Creating Prolog on top of Lisp is a classic problem:

http://dunsmor.com/lisp/onlisp/onlisp_28.html

This was also done in Norvig's AI book and partly in SICP.

In fact, here is a github of Prolog written on Clojure that's not production level:

https://github.com/gmwils/clj-prolog
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09-25-2012 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
Huh. I don't see the thread anymore. There was a thread with a title about OOP in the title.

I'm afraid to show it off because the more I think of it, the more people will say "really? That's all it is?"
Dude, don't worry about that. Haters are always gonna hate.

It's funny, I get so nervous about showing people things I've built. I think sometimes when you've looked at your own project so many times you start to take for granted the work you've done and being devaluing it in your head.

Think of it this way -- the huge value you get from constructive feedback is going to far outweigh the slight sting from any undue criticism.
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09-25-2012 , 12:34 PM
I know you can write one on top of the other and I know there are a bunch of hackish/research projects that do just that (Prolog as Ruby DSL etc).

I don't want a (featureless) Prolog rewritten in language X, I want to use some Prolog and the entire library it comes with from another language. Using the JVM as the connecting bridge so to speak seems to be the most viable option.

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Unrelated second question: Let's say I'm building a tool to match party A with party B and want to get a commission for that. Does anyone have any idea about available payment middleware options etc (non-US market)?
I was just thinking as soon as the deal is accepted by both sites I'd use Paypal or something to pay 90% to the account of party A and 10% to my account.
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09-25-2012 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
Huh. I don't see the thread anymore. There was a thread with a title about OOP in the title.
I undeleted those threads. Seems he was hit hard with a banhammer, but there was nothing wrong with tho threads in this forum imo so they are restored.

A friend just emailed me this lol

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09-25-2012 , 07:25 PM
Oh Reddit
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09-25-2012 , 08:34 PM
Oh hai guize.

My long term employment may be coming to an end (redundancy - woot). It's been seven years since I've written a resume. Does anyone have a nice template I can copy?

Yes - I've googled, checked the MS word templates, google doc templates and even had a recruiter friend send me a couple... but for some reason none of them appeal to me.

So I guess I'm looking for ideas/inspiration.

I'm a programmer and I'll be looking for programming jobs... very broad, I know. But I've done lots of different applications/systems in different languages over the last 7 years I've been here, so I'm thinking I'll be mostly tailoring my resume for each job I apply for anyway.

Actually, if I have one real area of expertise, it would be GIS.
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09-25-2012 , 10:09 PM
These really helped me but I have a print/web/graphic design background.

http://graphicriver.net/category/pri...ionery/resumes

Some of them are really bad but I got a lot of ideas out of them. I ended up recreating one of the more simple layouts and integrating elements/ideas from a few of them.
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09-25-2012 , 10:20 PM
Just discovered something that I thought I'd share.

It appears that if you're running Apache with mod_expires enabled, after destroying a session (like after signing out), clicking the back button in Firefox will result in the previous page still being displayed even if it isn't supposed to be.

In my case, the page displayed after clicking back is dynamically generated and should redirect if the session isn't set. The redirect isn't happening because the page isn't reloading.

It doesn't seem to happen in Chrome. I didn't test in IE. After disabling mod_expires for that virtual host the issue no longer exists -- clicking back results in a redirect. I re-enabled mod_expires and sure enough, clicking back in FF just went to the previous page.

So, just an FYI.
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09-25-2012 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by txpstwx
These really helped me but I have a print/web/graphic design background.

http://graphicriver.net/category/pri...ionery/resumes

Some of them are really bad but I got a lot of ideas out of them. I ended up recreating one of the more simple layouts and integrating elements/ideas from a few of them.
ty. i'll take a look.
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09-26-2012 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 00Snitch
Oh hai guize.

My long term employment may be coming to an end (redundancy - woot). It's been seven years since I've written a resume. Does anyone have a nice template I can copy?

Yes - I've googled, checked the MS word templates, google doc templates and even had a recruiter friend send me a couple... but for some reason none of them appeal to me.

So I guess I'm looking for ideas/inspiration.

I'm a programmer and I'll be looking for programming jobs... very broad, I know. But I've done lots of different applications/systems in different languages over the last 7 years I've been here, so I'm thinking I'll be mostly tailoring my resume for each job I apply for anyway.

Actually, if I have one real area of expertise, it would be GIS.
We're looking for more developers. If you're interested in working in the New York City area PM me for more details.

Aside from that - I honestly don't pay much attention to resume formats. I think its pretty standard to do a short section at the top that hits your main skills in a list type fashion (things like programming languages, tools, what have you). For someone with your experience I'd just follow that with your work experience, open source/personal projects, and finally education.

The top section is useful only in getting you past the very first screen that a company might have (either automated or with a non-technical person looking for buzz-words).

When I'm looking at resumes I always try to find details in the rest of the resume that back up the words at the top (so if you say you know Ruby on Rails you should probably have a point somewhere telling me you built something with it).

Generally I think people put too much emphasis on resume formats. Especially if you're in one of the many areas that has a shortage of software talent.

Edit: Also, don't do a word format. I personally like either PDF or simple HTML. I think they're much better at being submitted online.
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09-26-2012 , 10:31 AM
Maybe I'm an outlier, but the fancy resumes tended to hit the trash when I received them. When I'm staring at 150 emails I didn't need very good excuses to carry on to the next one. If it took me more than 5 seconds to read your name, find your phone number, and scam your list of skills, I was done.

Even using this system, I didn't manage to even glance at all the resumes due to time constraints.
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09-26-2012 , 10:33 AM
daveT - what kind of position were you interviewing for? We would love to get 150 resumes for our positions but we're lucky to get a couple a day.
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09-26-2012 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
we're lucky to get a couple a day.
That seems crazy to me. Jobs are non-existent where I am.

What kind of positions are you trying to fill?
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09-26-2012 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by txpstwx
That seems crazy to me. Jobs are non-existent where I am.

What kind of positions are you trying to fill?
Standard software developer positions. We have relatively high standards at the interview stage but we're not super picky in our job postings.
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09-26-2012 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by txpstwx
That seems crazy to me. Jobs are non-existent where I am.

What kind of positions are you trying to fill?
In software development? Seems more like "if he has coded hello world we might hire him" than "no jobs" right now.
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