Think about it...hundreds of programmers teach thousands upon thousands of poker players how to program a gimmicky heads up poker site.

Poker players collect a rake fee through PayPal...nothing huge but you know 400-1k$ per year profit...enough to keep us on the Feds radar but not enough to piss off Pokerstars.

The key to making it work is getting hundreds of programmers to do this and then getting thousands of poker players to start doing it at the same time.

I see some threads in here, you know programmers not wanting to do **** for free....so here you go...gain 80$ an hour to teach poker players how to program their own gimmicky site which is just a table, poker chips, and a rake service through Paypal...and boom once poker players start getting that income in rake....you start turning online poker into pot....if every1 is doing it....the feds are going to slap u on the wrist or look the other way...

How far out there is this idea on a scale of 1-10...and yes please I want to here your debate if you think this idea is ******ed.

Your idea is ******ed and your spelling is horrendous

hmmm i continue to wonder why people on internet forums give a **** about spelling.

We're on an internet forum. Who cares.

Why is my idea ******ed?

Paypal wouldn't allow it but Bitcoin could be an alternative.

I'm curious to what your point is by making this thread because it is so poorly written, that I have a hard time reading your thoughts. You must not be happy with the US player serving sites and think that if poker players got their hands on some poker playing platform, they could run a better site or something?

People that can play outside of the US are not going to flock from the professionally run sites to something basic. Maybe you want the fish in the US to start playing again but why haven't they on bovada or merge or sealswithclubs? What is your reason that they are going to jump onto your x compared to the already existing alternatives.

If you want to get people to jump on any new poker site, offering play to US players at the popularity I imagine; you would have to piss off the feds or it would never work.

No no, youre missing the point...it is not about making these sites profitable...these poker sites would all be ****ty heads up machines offering low stakes, heads up poker for real money...

The point in mass creating these heads up sites into the 2-8,000 new sites range IS TO BREAK THE LAW.

Why is pot becoming legal in America? It is because literally 40% of the population smokes it or just dgaf about getting POT off the streets.

Poker can be transformed into the same way I feel if this thread is followed.

Why would having many poker sites be better than having many websites pointing to the already existing sites that break US law?

Which is why I said his idea sucks. He can't even articulate exactly what it is he wants to do.

Lol ok there Ivey Leauger....I am not a programmer...so obv I cannot articulate how to create gimmicky heads up sites..charging rake through Pay Pal is super easy...the programming is the hard part...

Why would this be better than the current environment? I could state many reasons...mainly we have laws in this country that state: Creating a website and offering and profiting off of the wagering of American bets is guilty of a federal crime...but what if 20,000 Americans are doing this at the same time....?

Over night...this goes from a federal crime to a situation much like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD61YFxUga4

I am serious here guys..I live next door to a state senator, and I talked to him about this over a bonfire...and he was like..yeh kinda crazy but its not a completely horrible idea idk.

yes it is

Come on man, I said in the opening title not to do that..elaborate please...why is it a horrible idea?

Already told you that you can't use Paypal. If paypal was so easy to launder money, the sites offering play to US players would be using it. You get all funds locked instantly for anything gambling related.

You don't need to be a programmer to express your idea or to have a good idea. This is a pretty bad idea like craggoo has stated and I still think it would be the same as making lots of sites that point to the current poker sites.

Recreational players don't seem to trust the offshore sites for many reasons; unsure if sites are legit, collusion and bots. Personally the only sites I would play on in todays climate are the ones blocking US players.

Go out and start selling drugs then. Lots of people are doing it so it should be okay right? They can't arrest all the drug dealers in the world if there are lots of them.

Mehhhh yeh good points. But selling drugs is not selling poker sites

I see what youre saying but..in terms of gross volume lets think about it:

14,000 poker players collecting rake * 500$ per year is only 7 million dollars.

But yeh I just looked at Bovadas profit/loss statements and they only profit 7-10 mil per year from the pokers, so yeh.

Its irrelevant whether its poker sites, drugs, or whatever. Just because lots of people are doing something illegal doesn't make it all of a sudden legal. It just means whoever is responsible for enforcing that law is either doing a piss poor job of it or doesn't give a ****.

http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/...l-time-591008/

Only 25k fine

Your idea is ******ed. Who is going to play on these poker sites? Why would anyone trust some random programmer not to steal their money with a rigged poker site?

Cost of building a "****ty heads up" poker site could easily cost $50k to $100k.

It is not possible to have good programmers "teach poker players how to program these sites".

You are planning on building hundreds of these sites? Or would it be the same underlying logic, just deployed across hundreds of severs (in which case, why can't we use an existing non ****ty site and skip the above steps?)?