Hello Everyone, I have opened up this for review for a problem I seem to have .

It looks like a serious one and one that is hampering my server connection in accordance to running the poker client, and subsequent connections.

I have screenshots which will follow, I am just confused about the data server hops in between my uk virgin media server and the actual host server at one particular site "party poker.com". This has been prevalent on all major sites though by and large and is a recurring problem I feel.

I cannot control the data servers and have not much knowledge of them im afraid but I would suggest someone can tell me exactly thier thoughts and the exact nature of why a uk virgin media service is running servers through usa addresses.

I dont quite understand why the servers at virgin media have in common with the data servers in the usa , albeit how they run ,how they connect to each other , all I have done is traceroutes through the party poker client.This is a client server connection which is detectable unlike that of pokerstars servers and fulltilt 888poker etc. Party poker actually shows you the intermittent server to server peer connections , The hard part I am able to understand is why the connections are all hosted through the usa and what these ip addresses do /are.

If anyone can help I would appreciate it please, I have spoken to virgin media but they are not very helpful.,and deny any knowledge of corrupt servers .

sincerely Aaron.

Thought I had linked you to this previously, but maybe not:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...videos-285800/

Bobo sir ,that link is of no help to me sorry.Unsure how to edit or crop into size, have used imgur for share photo and got links. someone did it for me before ,hope this can get helped along by someone with more knowledge than me ,sorry Im just a newbie at this sort of thing. many thanks regards Aaron

Just copy the part of your link that starts with http and ends with .jpg, then select insert image (above reply box, little mountain) and paste link.

Here is first one, just quote my post here to see what is needed if still unsure (disregard quote tags if you do this).







Might as well delete this too bobo

Exactly - just did the same with his second post. The instructions are in the thread I linked.

Edit to add: Now that it's been done, I guess I'll get rid of all his posts. I was trying to teach man to fish, but oh well.

Thanks guys ,sweet job . I will repay u one day ,I feel it. cheers

Well , Frankly speaking this is my virgin media host network provider , however Im unsure what to make of all the peering network connections in the middle as im sure most of you guys will too. I cannot control the data of the network of virgin media in the middle"transit"in between servers from my ip to the "party pokers" or any other online poker client servers. I have no idea how I can get anyone to help as Its all a bit too confusing my for intelligence .
However pokerstars once looked at this traceroute issue and discovered that my network was the issue and thats why there was lag or dissconnections on the server or on my ip connection..However they discussed the fact that this clearly wasnt thier fault but also understood that it wasnt my fault either.!

What I need clarification on is what virgin media servers are doing ,am I being connected properly through the proper channels through correct server hops and through correct ip networks? or is there a chance for a mitm attack to be prevalent here ? I dont understand why the vm servers which are based in the united kingdom what they are doing in the united states . this seems most odd and confusing to me.I have spoken to tech support and the security department at virgin media ,and have also got another lot of screenshots to follow of a mailshell site that has used or is using my ip address ."[email protected]" this is part of some issue that I have with this virgin media network.

Now this is only going to be the start ,because I need to source this issue and other problems out with maintaining my clean server to server connnection and its peering routes. I need to make sure I am being routed to the poker clients servers in accordance with the fullest security and knowledge that ther can be no mitm attack on the IP address that I have been dedicated from..

Hope this answers some part of what I am trying here to achieve guys, sorry if its sounds a big vaugue but I am slightly lost in translation as to most of this tech stuff as I am sure some of you guys are too.

regards Aaron.

Dude, seriously, you are worrying about nothing.

The "servers" that you are referring to throughout your post are not servers at all, they are nodes in a network (switches / routers / hubs). When you run a tracert (trace route, which is what the poker sites have in their software to highlight network problems) it lists every node in a network that your traffic passes through.

The internet is made up of thousands / millions of nodes, your data can and will pass through any number of them throughout the world - even if your data is only actually going to the building next door to you right now - this is because the routing between disparate networks depends on the "cost" of that route. The cost of the route depends on things such as latency, utilisation of the route, capacity, etc. and can therefore fluctuate.

It really does get far too complicated to explain in a forum post - so just take it as read that what you are seeing is completely normal and does not make you any more / less susceptible to mitm attacks that anyone else on the internet.

Hello in responce to your answer HARLOW from london,.:

When I am on network of virgin media ,I dont need any middlemen ip routing connections that go through 10 unknown server hops. Pokerstars is correct they have nothing to do with them.

I was strictly told from someone at both pokerstars and absolute poker ,that It would cost me £30,000 approximately to get a serious tunnelled end to end server connection ,thus reducing the number of hops /reroutaments in the network .! I simply want a "DIRECT" network connection from my lan ip address to thier servers at poker sites.Is that too much to ask?

Secondly all the host peering networks do in fact hamper my connection ,and they hamper the data I believe being delivered on transit route.I can prove it,I have gone to great lenghs with the virgin media company to PROVE IT.

When the company at virgin media admit liablity for having corrupt ip servers and servers that host malicious data then I will be safe in the mind I can play online poker without any issues. You might turn round and say ok then get another network provider , but In general they all all preety much the same.

It is clear from pokerstars hq what they said to me, reduce the hops,make sure the connection is healthy and make sure there is no chance of a mitm attack which is obviously what can happen at present on my network.

Please dont tell me I dont know what im doing because virgin media have denied that thier servers run in the usa , so how comes the above screenshot shows virgin media servers in the USA??.....I would like to know because they wont answer me .

Im close to shutting down with that company in any case, I have numerous complaints on the virgin media tech support /security forum, none of which is answered properly .They wont help because half the time they say its the sites that you visit on the web over port 80 .

akamai technologies would like to explain what they deploy on players computers as well. Im a bit befuddled by thier logistics of running internet service data.

Personally I need to go to sans conferance meets for get this info and stuff checked out .my guess is though they dont use virgin media as a network provider and 1 can probably imagine why,!

NTT colorado englewood america USA.....on virgin media server connection.?explain

again its a communications network service ...What has this got to do with my virgin media standalone ip address and my connection ? and why is it on my network when I connect to pokersites?

Please explain if you would please.

Or as ive been told many times is this just how the internet works by going through all the hosting ip companys around the world just to get to one place?..

Its simple really virgin media need to expand thier network platform globally so that thier servers are routed on one mainframe network ,not have to go through other services or hosts.maybe that is the answer no?

I think ive found part of the answer here guys , need some clarification on what this is and what it means to my ip address though.

Checking 82.7.218.225 (cpc19-sotn11-2-0-cust224.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com). Please wait a minute for the checks to complete.
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I think it may be safe to assume the ip address granted by virgin media is holded on some blacklist for spammers therefore virgin media need to come clean about this and fast.

damm that didnt show up properly wtf!!

the results clearly show im on some blacklists of the virgin media network or some parts of it. I need to get this investigated .any help would be welcome here guys many thanks.

Yes, you do. Virgin media do not own the internet, they are an ISP in the UK. Pokerstars (probably) don't use virgin media. Therefore your traffic must get from your computer, across virgin medias network and then to The ISP Pokerstars use, then to pokerstars. In order to do this there MUST be middlemen.

Virgin Media have no control over the data or the route it takes once it leaves their network (most likely to Level3).

Without paying £30k, yes it is too much to ask. Alternatively you could ask Pokerstars if you could use a DMZ within their network, I'm sure their security guys wouldn't have a problem with that

I don't think anyone would deny there is an impact on your connection based on the number of hops your data has to traverse. It doesn't need proof, it is a scientific and mathematical fact.

Again, its not servers. It is nodes (hubs, switches and routers).

It is not virgin medias servers (or routers or hubs) in the US. In order to get from Virgin Medias network to Pokerstars network, you have to cross the backbone of the internet.

I completely agree. I have always recommended people not to use VM in the UK, but not because of the reasons you have put above.

Good luck with that

Yep, but that would go for any ISP anywhere in the world. Seriously, ask your friends for their IP address and do the same look up - you'll get the same results.

Whilst VM provide you with an IP address, they cannot control what you do with it. So if you set up an email server and send 1 billion spam emails, VM cannot be held to blame - but that specific IP address would be listed on all of those blacklists.

The blacklists would have no affect on your ability to play poker, mitm attacks, or do anything else (with the exception of setting up an email server, as that IP address is blacklisted).