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There is tons of evidence against Gods existence

13 7.56%

There is 0 evidence for Gods existence

99 57.56%

There is not enough evidence for Gods existence

26 15.12%

The evidence for Gods existence is not compelling to you

23 13.37%

You hate God

11 6.40%

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12-06-2008 , 01:58 PM

#26

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Originally Posted by madnak

So I don't really hate Jack Bauer?

That's just a psychological defense mechanism to deny your manlove for him.

I see your point however, but atleast you know what Jack Bauer is.

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12-06-2008 , 02:03 PM

#27

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No. Before we could talk about which God is the right God or that God has stake in this universe, we would first have to agree that a god even exists.

It's not like they are the same genus. Obviously there is no evidence for a deistic god. subjective "wet dream experiences" or whatever that are presented as evidence are interventionalist. Evidence for one tends to be evidence against the other.

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12-06-2008 , 02:05 PM

#28

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3 states that there is evidence for God but that in order to draw a logical conclusion that God exists, you would need more evidence. Or that there would be more evidence if God existed.

Got that one.

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4 states more that the evidence presented would be sufficient to conclude that God exists, but to you the evidence is not plausible in its conclusions.

Now you've lost me. If the evidence is sufficient, it has to be plausible.

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4 differs from 2 in that 2 is stating that the evidence provided is in fact fallacious in its conclusions, therefore cannot be counted a evidence.

Which is the same thing as saying there isnt enough evidence, since it isnt evidence.

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12-06-2008 , 02:07 PM

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are we on 8?
8) I'm not even sure what God means. Most of the ways people explain God I find to be complete nonsense. Other times people say God is love. I'm not an atheist if that is what God means.

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12-06-2008 , 02:08 PM

#30

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Originally Posted by tame_deuces

Okay, for some deist concept of god I can't give a ready answer. I certainly believe there is a lot more to the universe than we currently know - I just don't see a reason to peg it as a "god" and neither do I see any reason to think it has any intentional effect on morals, life or whatnot.

If god has no effect on the universe in regards to us, then he is a deistic god. He made everything, created life, and then walked away, so to speak.

When you talk about god in the deistic sense, you are merely labeling something that would be capable of creating everything. As William Craig puts it something that is "uncaused, changeless, timeless, extremely powerful and immaterial being"

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12-06-2008 , 02:12 PM

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uncaused, changeless, timeless, extremely powerful and immaterial being

I find this to be complete nonsense.

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12-06-2008 , 02:22 PM

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it has to be caused somehow.

who created god? is that who god worships? should we worship the creator of god as well? will we be punished for worshiping god and not his creator?

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12-06-2008 , 02:36 PM

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I think #2 is like #4. If there is "evidence" I don't find compelling is it really evidence?

Regardless I'm an atheist because I don't believe there is evidence for god and also because if there is a god it doesn't affect me negatively or in the case god is evil and has maturity problems and wants to punish me for not believing I get all rebellious and say **** you god!

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12-06-2008 , 02:37 PM

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it has to be caused somehow.

who created god? is that who god worships? should we worship the creator of god as well? will we be punished for worshiping god and not his creator?

Who says that God cannot exist eternally?

If you do not believe that God exist, don't you have to believe that the universe exists eternally? Or at least something in the universe or something else.

Something has be eternal.

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12-06-2008 , 02:39 PM

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Something has be eternal.

another fricking timist.

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12-06-2008 , 02:41 PM

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yeah, "something has [to] be eternal" is a pretty huge assertion.

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12-06-2008 , 02:42 PM

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another fricking timist.

Ok. So you disagree. What do you propose as an alternitive to this statement.

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12-06-2008 , 02:55 PM

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damn it there are so many alternatives, and even if i couldnt name one, the onus would still be on you to show why there must be something that is eternal, since it seems no more likely than "everything sprang from nothing" at best.

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12-06-2008 , 03:00 PM

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If everything sprang from nothing, then before there was everything there was nothing, right?

If at one point there was nothing, that would mean that there was not even the potentiality of something. If there was not even a potentiality of something, then how can there ever be anything?

As far as so many alternatives, I have not heard of one that does not directly go against what we know.

Either something is eternal or there would have to be an infinite regress of something. We know that an infinite regress is not possible, therefore there has to be something eternal.

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12-06-2008 , 03:01 PM

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AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

WE DONT KNOW INFINITE REGRESSES ARE IMPOSSIBLE, FOR A START

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12-06-2008 , 03:02 PM

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and ive already said that to you in the past, confirming the fact that you pay no attention to anyone who disagrees with you.

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12-06-2008 , 03:02 PM

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Something has be eternal.

why?

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12-06-2008 , 03:03 PM

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6. I'm not an atheist---God is a superstition.

I'm also not an a-astrologer, an a-vitalist, an a-telepathist, an a-geocentrist, etc.

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12-06-2008 , 03:06 PM

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6. I'm not an atheist---God is a superstition.

I'm also not an a-astrologer, an a-vitalist, an a-telepathist, an a-geocentrist, etc.

thats not 6), thats 9)!

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12-06-2008 , 03:11 PM

#45

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thats not 6), thats 9)!

If 6 was 9...

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12-06-2008 , 03:25 PM

#46

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Originally Posted by tmcdmck

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

WE DONT KNOW INFINITE REGRESSES ARE IMPOSSIBLE, FOR A START

Infinite regresses lead to absurdity and contradictions. So we know that they cannot exist in reality.

"hilberts hotel" is a good example of this.

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12-06-2008 , 03:26 PM

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and ive already said that to you in the past, confirming the fact that you pay no attention to anyone who disagrees with you.

I have 20 people a day disagreeing with me. It is hard for me to remember who said what.

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12-06-2008 , 03:27 PM

#48

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6. I'm not an atheist---God is a superstition.

I'm also not an a-astrologer, an a-vitalist, an a-telepathist, an a-geocentrist, etc.

So you have no logical reasons for your beliefs. Got it.

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12-06-2008 , 03:31 PM

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gah it doesnt lead to absurdities and contradictions. you just think it does.

never heard of hilbert's hotel before, but just wikied it, and failed to understand how it shows that an infinite regress is impossible. youll have to spell it out for me. my guess is "hilberts hotel seems absurd, it kinda like an infinite regress, therefore infinite regresses are absurd".

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12-06-2008 , 03:34 PM

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So you have no logical reasons for your beliefs. Got it.

Um, what does logic have to do with the actual fact that God is just one of innumerable human superstitions?

P.S. I'm still waiting! Or are you ready to concede?

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