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08-02-2017 , 06:31 PM
Why ToothSayer insists on being wrong about everything is beyond me. I am however beginning to understand why many of the more philosophically inclined posters on this forum have left.

To understand any one of Watts' quotes you've got to first be familiar with his metaphysics. Much like to understand Aristotle's ethics or to understand Nietzsche's ethics or Kant's ethics. Since you dont believe in the heterogeneity of metaphysics, your dogmatism knows no bounds.
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08-02-2017 , 06:44 PM
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Who's substituting an attitude of authority? I'm showing his actual words and videos and finding them absurd, as would most people.

You're the one setting yourself up as an authority, implying that you know Watt's work and your opinion differs to mine and therefore we should listen to you. While providing zero example of said brilliant, respect-worthy work. You seem to do what you claim others do. It's strange.
You might hope.

But, please do go on asserting to speak for most people. Lol.
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08-02-2017 , 06:53 PM
Let's all instead gather round and talk about the astonishing accomplishments of the empirical method.

For the 100000000th time.

While we're at it. Let's put into contrast all non-pragmatic systems of belief and proceed to endlessly compliment each other about how special we are that we aren't interested or 'conned' by those systems. Ugh.

Fine.

Carry on then...

Last edited by VeeDDzz`; 08-02-2017 at 07:04 PM.
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08-02-2017 , 07:21 PM
Yeah, beware of provoked thought!

https://youtu.be/JfnbX9lH7QI
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08-02-2017 , 08:57 PM
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Why ToothSayer insists on being wrong about everything is beyond me. I am however beginning to understand why many of the more philosophically inclined posters on this forum have left.
They left long before I was around. Nice try trying to pin the blame on me though.
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To understand any one of Watts' quotes you've got to first be familiar with his metaphysics. Much like to understand Aristotle's ethics or to understand Nietzsche's ethics or Kant's ethics.
No you don't. You just read them and it becomes instantly clear what they're saying and why.

This is a big fat yawn. Say something. What did he say that's worthy of respect, or is interesting? I'm posting more Watts than you are.

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Since you dont believe in the heterogeneity of metaphysics, your dogmatism knows no bounds.
WTF are you talking about? I believe in it far more than you. Which is why I don't fall for the first loser with an English access who talks a bastardized version of Asian philosophy dumbed down for the masses.

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Let's all instead gather round and talk about the astonishing accomplishments of the empirical method.
There's a lot of philosophy to talk about. Why bring a zombie hippie into it? What he does is not even philosophy; it's a hippie infomercial.
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While we're at it. Let's put into contrast all non-pragmatic systems of belief and proceed to endlessly compliment each other about how special we are that we aren't interested or 'conned' by those systems. Ugh.

Fine.

Carry on then...
You want to discuss Krishnamurti's thoughts? I'd love to. You might be a bit out of your depth though.
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08-02-2017 , 09:35 PM
Tooth is seriously acting threatened by Alan Watts. He can stop repeating meaningless derision. Hilarious. Is the whole greater than the sum of its parts?
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08-02-2017 , 10:15 PM
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They left long before I was around. Nice try trying to pin the blame on me though.
I might be wrong but i believe that your anti-philosophy views, in general, are at least partly derived by participation in this forum.

In a way, you're acting representative of a general anti-philosophy culture that permeates the forum. A culture, that in every instance, draws the strongest distinction between philosophy and science, while conflating any talk about God or the infinite or the non-falsifiable with theology. Non-falsifiable does not always equate to theology. If you don't enjoy discussing non-falsifiable ideas, don't discuss them. Simple.

Pretending to know better, at every instance available, just comes across as insecure and discourages any genuine or constructive dialogue.
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08-02-2017 , 11:32 PM
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You want to discuss Krishnamurti's thoughts? I'd love to.
We may as well get him in here while we are at it. This is the first hit on youtube, guy even has an own channel:

https://www.youtube.com/user/KFoundation
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08-03-2017 , 08:44 AM
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You want to discuss Krishnamurti's thoughts? I'd love to. You might be a bit out of your depth though.
Krishnamurti is beyond thought... That's his entire point: "go beyond all thoughts where only choiceless awareness remains".

But you are incapable of understanding this because you are constantly looking for the complex instead of seeing truth in its utter simplicity. Your own intellect is your own prison.
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08-03-2017 , 09:00 AM
Even Einstein said you should make things as simple as possible, but not simpler.

How we, ultimately being ****ed by death, should act and think, is debatable.
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08-03-2017 , 09:07 AM
I can see how people who are not as smart as Watts would be sucked in by his discourse. He is emotionally appealing. But as has been pointed out in this thread, he is really not at all there on substance. Although i'm open to any of his fans actually pointing out some of the substance instead of just repeating over and over how awesome he is and that anyone who disagrees is threatened by him, etc. Yawn.
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08-03-2017 , 09:11 AM
He should have been smart enough not to talk **** in the first place, imo. Lots of cleaning up to do, if you excuse the expression.

Many of our posters do a better job than Alan.

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08-03-2017 , 10:20 AM
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I can see how people who are not as smart as Watts would be sucked in by his discourse. He is emotionally appealing. But as has been pointed out in this thread, he is really not at all there on substance. Although i'm open to any of his fans actually pointing out some of the substance instead of just repeating over and over how awesome he is and that anyone who disagrees is threatened by him, etc. Yawn.


You are just like his other critics ITT, don't seem to know much but are sure he's a bad man. LMAO.

The problem you are facing about Watts is that people who know his work probably have no interest in the shallow 'oneupsman' style of barking accusation and derision in between slurping on your own junk. That's how one may end up with substance-less claims of little substance. Hehehe.
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08-03-2017 , 10:33 AM
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He should have been smart enough not to talk **** in the first place, imo. Lots of cleaning up to do, if you excuse the expression.

Many of our posters do a better job than Alan.


Scientism is as miserable and stupefying as any other such prejudicial approach to knowledge. Doing it with a crowd doesn't improve it.
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08-03-2017 , 10:48 AM
https://youtu.be/DXDT4xEevo8

Watts describes the thread lol
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08-03-2017 , 02:36 PM
When I first had access to a device that could modulate/demodulate audio tones as digital data signals over the telephone wires, this was one of the first articles I read, and it changed me.

http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/comput...lf%20aware.htm

That device was just a modem. The article asks whether we are greater than the sum of our parts or not. Mind blowing.

Alan Watts is my YouTube psychiatrist and sleep aid.

Last edited by MacOneDouble; 08-03-2017 at 02:50 PM.
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08-03-2017 , 02:48 PM
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https://youtu.be/DXDT4xEevo8

Watts describes the thread lol
Me and I

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08-03-2017 , 02:57 PM
Sunshine, Lollipops And Rainbows - Come on, everyone sing-a-long; we are one big happy family here and the universe is run by love.

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08-03-2017 , 03:17 PM
Hell yes. I'm feeling it.

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08-03-2017 , 03:21 PM
Noisey disruption is an interesting avoidance of communication. Like a young congress. When derision and accusation fail, just act like mocking crazy.

Watts was correct. The TS, Zeno, Plaay, etc style of haughty aggrieved noise is a waste of actual thinking time.
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08-03-2017 , 03:21 PM
spank, join in!

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08-03-2017 , 03:24 PM
Without Kum from my Lord, Baya has no meaning.
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08-03-2017 , 03:27 PM
Humanism really benefits from transcultural explorers.
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08-03-2017 , 03:37 PM
Inclusive humanism is non-complementary to scientism. Exclude less, accept and listen more. Less rigid, more curious. And music. Plus laughter.

But maybe I'm just a goo who grows prickles for prickles like a fart grows for wind. So what do I really know?

Both on the whole and greater still.
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