I generally give up (wake up) when the plot line is more full of holes than a Valentine's Day massacre victim.

Vivid != lucid

Yes that is standard here. I have often rationally recognized it was a dream because certain things inside the nightmarish experience didnt make sense or werent consistent with recent state of life so it couldnt be present day reality lol, so lets get out of here its only a dream, right? Lets prove it so. That forces a wake up event to vindicate the conclusion lol.

But i am thinking of a full structured adventure dream that you custom order and it delivers you there and you play the event out and it proves coherent not randomly irrational and very brief as many dreams are.

It is like your own movie but its not scripted, only the setup initial conditions are scripted, the rest plays out randomly using your own feedback participation like a simulation. Only its not a simulation because it is a dream. What do i mean by that? You wake up and you remember what happened in the dream and that is the "real experience", when finally awake, that you can now tell the story of what happened and it is interesting, its intriguing, its like a real life experience that finally makes solid sense unlike most dreams.

The surprise is the next day that you wake up you have added in your experiences that adventure, finally well scripted and almost real, as if it happened. It is now a solid memory of what took place, completely unpredictable with all the surprises and problems that were not imagined/anticipated when ordering it, but the dream realized the sequence and made it exact and you now remember it. Its like ordering your brain to dream under this "custom programmed setup" that then plays out like real life (as if dropped in that moment) and makes you an author next morning that tells the story of what happened. You didnt sit down and imagine all that happened, which can take days i mean to properly research and make it consistent, it really did happen real fast as if lived through, it was all product of your brain but it was created inside a 6-7 hour period (possibly like dreams orders of magnitude faster).

It's so simple that you should explain it to me. Now that we're friends and all.

How do you know it's standard?

Our lucid dreams probably mustn't be of the same genre.

I mean it happens often enough to be commonplace (hence standard). The reverse can be true too. You dream something beautiful (for example romantic love which unlike sex, it is pleasant at a deeper level, hence its more precious) and you do not want to wake up and if you do, you force yourself to re-sleep and see what comes next lol. I usually do not have sex dreams (or that i remember) although they happen too with some small frequency. But i do sometimes have romantic dreams. Those are rare of course, rare enough to feel precious. Rare compared to the overall population/spectrum of dreams that can be anything from adventurous nightmares to irrational strange combination trips, driving with family, partial logic adventures that are not very coherent, proving theorems and solving problems, to the usual type low scare/or cruelty value nightmares eg involving school exams, not going to the exams - although that never happened in real life- playing basketball with extremely heavy balls, running sprints with immense effort as if in huge gravitational fields lol that are so hard to run you need to use your hands too etc.

The real life thing (ie regarding romantic events) is even more precious so naturally the dreams will reflect the desire/approval for it. But it is funny when you dream and you wake up and its sad that you woke up so you must sleep again to resume the experience. I am not exactly clear if it continues though or it feels that way when you finally wake up for good and its all over with the memory it was a good dream and the persistence to not wake up from it.

My dreams often end in jokes. Waking yourself up laughing is quite nice.

It's probably a sign of insanity.

That's happened to me twice in my entire life. Both times were awesome.

I assumed that we were acquaintances.

Simply questioning whether you are awake repeatedly during the day works quite well.

Oh, right. Although I did know it was a dream after I fell on the floor.

If you have a really romantic dream that doesn't correspond to a real relationship then is waking up a bit like a break up?

The worst part of waking up is when you're breaking up.

Yes, not because it was a real dreamed break up. I mean the failure to continue to dream feels that way but the dream itself wasnt describing such a result. Which of course is why you want to go back to it lol.

By the way i doubt i remember exact dreams more than once a week or less. The rest of the time its kind of fuzzy sporadic/fragmented randomness that is forgotten. It is rare that a dream actually is lengthy enough and makes sense. Do you guys remember seeing dreams you can describe every time you sleep?

Don't fall asleep on your back. What you felt was you almost dying due to oxygen deprivation.

I've dreamt that I've murdered my brother for no good reason at least twice; maybe more. What kind of predicaments do you get in?

I always sleep on my side. But that's good to know.


PairTheBoard

What about when he called Frazier an Uncle Tom?

Always sleep on someone else's side.

Well i basically described some random nightmares in the posts before. I dont recall ever dreaming killing anyone to be honest although it might have happened in some very random obscure hard to remember dream like the ones i described happen to me most of the time (compared to the more coherent clean ones that i recall the story or i reconstruct it well after i wake up).

Most of the time i am in trouble with exams i should have taken years ago that i didn't show up for (hence invalidating all my degrees since high school lol - we had final exams in high school and was top student with all time records with probably only ancient Greek as a stressful subject but my dreams are about missing math exams, a favorite topic with great scores, so this is very strange, like the reverse of that time period) or running in huge gravity situations that its hard to move, playing basketball with huge weight balls that are almost impossible to score with etc (here there may be some truth that i wasnt particularly great at basketball as student but i was good at running spints and long jump). Other times its dreams about driving lost or against the traffic or in foreign lands i have no knowledge of the areas being lost. I dont recall more exact examples now but i cant say i remember vivid nightmares all that often. I have never dreamed anything remarkably abusive or sadistic or exceptionally disgusting.

It is rare to recall a well scripted dream. Hence my desire for what i proposed.

We could create a describe your dream thread and have Brian analyze them if that leads to anywhere meaningful (maybe in pms lol). It may of course start becoming too personal for many people so probably not a great idea but we could at least post the most interesting dreams that involved plot for fun purposes. Scientific proof dreams are funny to have.

Did you feel guilt when you saw these killing dreams? Do you have a good relationship with your brother otherwise? Did that happen after being tired or having excessive food etc?


When i was a little kid i used to dream repeatedly a white light force power concept (like presence of God or superior high out of this world type technology, a type of creature with wisdom and sense of justice). It was remarkably strong and impressive, unbeatable presence but not scary or angry or anything like that, more like a very confident positive force, a friendly form of extreme strength. That would happen for many times during a period repeatedly. Then it went away.

Standard.

No, man, it's practically impossible to have a good relationship with my brother. Nobody else does, it's not just me.

It's some hella harsh smack talk. As I recall, Ali 'took it back' as such. The taunting of his opponents is not nearly the same as the aforementioned political rhetoric IMO.

I like birds too. They are the bigger animals you usually see outdoors. Nice we can co-exist. Often look and study what they are up to.

I often remember dreams quite clearly for hours after waking up but they disappear* much faster than other memories (which seems reasonable).

*I initially said fade but they don't seem to fade, they're just gone. I'd guess it's because it's a all contained in short term memory and persists just by being recalled. Stop thinking about it for a while and it's gone.

Following this right now. Will a computer pass Turing's test this time?

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/technology-34281198

Appears they aren't there quite yet.