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similar internal mental states? similar internal mental states?

09-16-2010 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick
Virtual creatures would have no sense of how red "feels" different than green. We haven't figured out how to model that, so it won't be in the model.

I am not sure about the spider's mental state. They don't have the brain structures that are commonly held to be part of the conscious brain, so their mental state is ???
I suspect the virtual creatures were hard coded to be attracted to red and that the evolution that took place were improvements in the virtual creature ability to manuver toward the red.

Complex evolution like we observe on earth is very hard to replicate without a lot of ad hoc tweaking. I think you are right though....as amazing as a spider's brain is I don't think there is enough there to justify saying it has some internal mental state.
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09-17-2010 , 10:44 PM
Just glanced at the start.

The virtual creature has no mental state, it just mindlessly preforms a function. It can I think be better compared to a bacteria than an insect.

An insect has a brain and nervous system. They will have many more mental states, then the virtual creature - think pebble and beach. The insects might even have some form of awareness which the virtual creature clearly does not.
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09-17-2010 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
I think that in order to have some sort of "mental state" the being must be able to come to some sort of realization.
[Nit]In order to have a "mental state" a being must have a mind.[/Nit] In the wild this refers to the working of a particularly dense and structured nerve cluster called a brain. I can not see this being simulated in-silica in the short term.

Also I think it important to realise that black box logic does not work here. If something acts as if it has a mind, that does not mean it does. A robotic dog could act and behave in the same way as a real dog, but it wont not have a dogs mind or conciseness unless its been specifically programmed with one.
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