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06-19-2008 , 03:07 AM
i found this amusing....



Moderator: We're here today to debate the hot new topic, evolution versus Intelligent Des---

(Scientist pulls out baseball bat.)

Moderator: Hey, what are you doing?

(Scientist breaks Intelligent Design advocate's kneecap.)

Intelligent Design advocate: YEAAARRRRGGGHHHH! YOU BROKE MY KNEECAP!

Scientist: Perhaps it only appears that I broke your kneecap. Certainly, all the evidence points to the hypothesis I broke your kneecap. For example, your kneecap is broken; it appears to be a fresh wound; and I am holding a baseball bat, which is spattered with your blood. However, a mere preponderance of evidence doesn't mean anything. Perhaps your kneecap was designed that way. Certainly, there are some features of the current situation that are inexplicable according to the "naturalistic" explanation you have just advanced, such as the exact contours of the excruciating pain that you are experiencing right now.

Intelligent Design advocate: AAAAH! THE PAIN!

Scientist: Frankly, I personally find it completely implausible that the random actions of a scientist such as myself could cause pain of this particular kind. I have no precise explanation for why I find this hypothesis implausible --- it just is. Your knee must have been designed that way!

Intelligent Design advocate: YOU BASTARD! YOU KNOW YOU DID IT!

Scientist: I surely do not. How can we know anything for certain? Frankly, I think we should expose people to all points of view. Furthermore, you should really re-examine whether your hypothesis is scientific at all: the breaking of your kneecap happened in the past, so we can't rewind and run it over again, like a laboratory experiment. Even if we could, it wouldn't prove that I broke your kneecap the previous time. Plus, let's not even get into the fact that the entire universe might have just popped into existence right before I said this sentence, with all the evidence of my alleged kneecap-breaking already pre-formed.

Intelligent Design advocate: That's a load of bull**** sophistry! Get me a doctor and a lawyer, not necessarily in that order, and we'll see how that plays in court!

Scientist (turning to audience): And so we see, ladies and gentlemen, when push comes to shove, advocates of Intelligent Design do not actually believe any of the arguments that they profess to believe. When it comes to matters that hit home, they prefer evidence, the scientific method, testable hypotheses, and naturalistic explanations. In fact, they strongly privilege naturalistic explanations over supernatural hocus-pocus or metaphysical wankery. It is only within the reality-distortion field of their ideological crusade that they give credence to the flimsy, ridiculous arguments which we so commonly see on display. I must confess, it kind of felt good, for once, to be the one spouting free-form bull****; it's so terribly easy and relaxing, compared to marshaling rigorous arguments backed up by empirical evidence. But I fear that if I were to continue, then it would be habit-forming, and bad for my soul. Therefore, I bid you adieu.
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06-19-2008 , 03:12 AM
A+
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06-19-2008 , 11:07 AM
Actually, this is a perfect example of intelligent design.

The intelligent scientist decided to create a broken kneecap and pain for the ID guy, so he did it.

The broken kneecap required intelligence to be created where a broken kneecap did not already exist.
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06-19-2008 , 12:23 PM
A+ great!
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06-19-2008 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Actually, this is a perfect example of intelligent design.

The intelligent scientist decided to create a broken kneecap and pain for the ID guy, so he did it.

The broken kneecap required intelligence to be created where a broken kneecap did not already exist.
A+.

Yes it did require intelligence to create a broken kneecap where one previously did not exist. Of course, it was a rather barbaric/savage intelligence with such an aim especially considering the venue.
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06-19-2008 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Actually, this is a perfect example of intelligent design.

The intelligent scientist decided to create a broken kneecap and pain for the ID guy, so he did it.

The broken kneecap required intelligence to be created where a broken kneecap did not already exist.
I see no flaws in this analogy.
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06-19-2008 , 08:11 PM
I think stupidity causes broken kneecaps more often than intelligence. Take the OP, for example.
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06-19-2008 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Actually, this is a perfect example of intelligent design.

The intelligent scientist decided to create a broken kneecap and pain for the ID guy, so he did it.

The broken kneecap required intelligence to be created where a broken kneecap did not already exist.
The next day, the IDer will have a tough time proving without resorting to science and logic that it wasn't caused by his favorite sheep putting up a fight this time.
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06-20-2008 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
i found this amusing....



Moderator: We're here today to debate the hot new topic, evolution versus Intelligent Des---

(Scientist pulls out baseball bat.)

Moderator: Hey, what are you doing?

(Scientist breaks Intelligent Design advocate's kneecap.)

Intelligent Design advocate: YEAAARRRRGGGHHHH! YOU BROKE MY KNEECAP!

Scientist: Perhaps it only appears that I broke your kneecap. Certainly, all the evidence points to the hypothesis I broke your kneecap. For example, your kneecap is broken; it appears to be a fresh wound; and I am holding a baseball bat, which is spattered with your blood. However, a mere preponderance of evidence doesn't mean anything. Perhaps your kneecap was designed that way. Certainly, there are some features of the current situation that are inexplicable according to the "naturalistic" explanation you have just advanced, such as the exact contours of the excruciating pain that you are experiencing right now.

Intelligent Design advocate: AAAAH! THE PAIN!

Scientist: Frankly, I personally find it completely implausible that the random actions of a scientist such as myself could cause pain of this particular kind. I have no precise explanation for why I find this hypothesis implausible --- it just is. Your knee must have been designed that way!

Intelligent Design advocate: YOU BASTARD! YOU KNOW YOU DID IT!

Scientist: I surely do not. How can we know anything for certain? Frankly, I think we should expose people to all points of view. Furthermore, you should really re-examine whether your hypothesis is scientific at all: the breaking of your kneecap happened in the past, so we can't rewind and run it over again, like a laboratory experiment. Even if we could, it wouldn't prove that I broke your kneecap the previous time. Plus, let's not even get into the fact that the entire universe might have just popped into existence right before I said this sentence, with all the evidence of my alleged kneecap-breaking already pre-formed.

Intelligent Design advocate: That's a load of bull**** sophistry! Get me a doctor and a lawyer, not necessarily in that order, and we'll see how that plays in court!

Scientist (turning to audience): And so we see, ladies and gentlemen, when push comes to shove, advocates of Intelligent Design do not actually believe any of the arguments that they profess to believe. When it comes to matters that hit home, they prefer evidence, the scientific method, testable hypotheses, and naturalistic explanations. In fact, they strongly privilege naturalistic explanations over supernatural hocus-pocus or metaphysical wankery. It is only within the reality-distortion field of their ideological crusade that they give credence to the flimsy, ridiculous arguments which we so commonly see on display. I must confess, it kind of felt good, for once, to be the one spouting free-form bull****; it's so terribly easy and relaxing, compared to marshaling rigorous arguments backed up by empirical evidence. But I fear that if I were to continue, then it would be habit-forming, and bad for my soul. Therefore, I bid you adieu.
Who, in his right mind, would let Dawkins walk around with a weapon in his hand?
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06-20-2008 , 05:12 AM
Speaking of kneecaps, wouldn't a truly intelligent designer had designed them pointing backwards?
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06-20-2008 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by madnak
I think stupidity causes broken kneecaps more often than intelligence. Take the OP, for example.
Mad, did you just call me stupid??
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06-20-2008 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by NotReady
Who, in his right mind, would let Dawkins walk around with a weapon in his hand?
he always carries his greatest weapon (not counting his sonic screwdriver)
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06-20-2008 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
Speaking of kneecaps, wouldn't a truly intelligent designer had designed them pointing backwards?
A matter of opinion, at best.
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06-20-2008 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Mad, did you just call me stupid??
No, just didn't come off well. I meant the broken kneecap in the story was a necessary consequence of stupidity.
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06-20-2008 , 01:38 PM
the raelians are both atheist and creationist in addition to providing a personification for god and pro-literal interpretation of the bible

so we should all jsut support the raelian movement and then we'll all get along
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06-21-2008 , 04:15 AM
It's been a while since I've been here, but it's nice to see that it's all the same people saying the same things! I see that the constructive debate in here is getting people to reflect well on their ideas.

EDIT: Just read The God Delusion. I think that guy spies on me. The only thing that I hadn't thought of before is -why- atheists are never a political force, and he makes a good point with regard to that. I doubt that it'll convert anyone, since it's a book, and people tend to stop reading when they feel like it.

Last edited by Duke; 06-21-2008 at 04:20 AM. Reason: Didn't want to make a new post or start a new worthless thread.
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