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02-08-2014 , 03:52 PM
The most recent thread to merge with out Outer Limits/Debunking thread got me thinking, "What is it that causes people to believe in conspiracy theories?" and, "Can I come up with a clever title for the thread in SMP in which this can be discussed?"

So I did some research and came up with these two articles plus select quotes:

Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories, by Maggie Koerth-Baker in the NYT:

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“The best predictor of belief in a conspiracy theory is belief in other conspiracy theories,” says Viren Swami, a psychology professor who studies conspiracy belief at the University of Westminster in England. Psychologists say that’s because a conspiracy theory isn’t so much a response to a single event as it is an expression of an overarching worldview.
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What’s even more surprising is that this sort of theorizing isn’t limited to those on the margins. Perfectly sane minds possess an incredible capacity for developing narratives, and even some of the wildest conspiracy theories can be grounded in rational thinking, which makes them that much more pernicious. Consider this: 63 percent of registered American voters believe in at least one political conspiracy theory, according to a recent poll conducted by Fairleigh Dickinson University.
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Conspiracy theories also seem to be more compelling to those with low self-worth, especially with regard to their sense of agency in the world at large. Conspiracy theories appear to be a way of reacting to uncertainty and powerlessness.

Economic recessions, terrorist attacks and natural disasters are massive, looming threats, but we have little power over when they occur or how or what happens afterward. In these moments of powerlessness and uncertainty, a part of the brain called the amygdala kicks into action. [...]prompting repeated reassessments of information in an attempt to create a coherent and understandable narrative, to understand what just happened, what threats still exist and what should be done now.
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In 2006, the political scientists Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler identified a phenomenon called the “backfire effect.” They showed that efforts to debunk inaccurate political information can leave people more convinced that false information is true than they would have been otherwise. Nyhan isn’t sure why this happens, but it appears to be more prevalent when the bad information helps bolster a favored worldview or ideology.
Conspiracy theory psychology: People who claim to know the truth about JFK, UFOs, and 9/11, by William Saletan on Slate.com:

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The answer is that people who suspect conspiracies aren’t really skeptics. Like the rest of us, they’re selective doubters. They favor a worldview, which they uncritically defend. But their worldview isn’t about God, values, freedom, or equality. It’s about the omnipotence of elites.
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The common thread between distrust and cynicism, as defined in these experiments, is a perception of bad character. More broadly, it’s a tendency to focus on intention and agency, rather than randomness or causal complexity. In extreme form, it can become paranoia. In mild form, it’s a common weakness known as the fundamental attribution error—ascribing others’ behavior to personality traits and objectives, forgetting the importance of situational factors and chance. Suspicion, imagination, and fantasy are closely related.

The more you see the world this way—full of malice and planning instead of circumstance and coincidence—the more likely you are to accept conspiracy theories of all kinds. Once you buy into the first theory, with its premises of coordination, efficacy, and secrecy, the next seems that much more plausible.
So this all sounds nice and reasonable, but I wonder about the moon landing in particular. I don't get how the idea that we went to the moon could be threatening to someone's sense of control (reference the first article). Is it as simple as just not trusting anything the government tells us? But then why the moon landing and not something else? Or is it that a person thinks, "wow, that must have been too hard/expensive for them to pull off," and then when looking for relevant information finds evidence that it was faked and then the distrust kicks in? Basically, people believe what they want to believe, and if that requires you to dismiss what everyone else tells you, then so be it. ??

Any thoughts on an evolutionary psychology explanation?
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02-08-2014 , 04:11 PM
I'm among those who believe there has been political conspirasies, aren't you? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ies_(political)

The trick is trying to avoid the wrong ones. Not having any ridiculous filter on. Trying to get the facts, evaluate probabilities.
02-08-2014 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
I'm among those who believe there has been political conspirasies, aren't you? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...es_(political)

The trick is trying to avoid the wrong ones. Not having any ridiculous filter on. Trying to get the facts, evaluate probabilities.
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Ok, sounds good, so what makes some people get into the wrong ones that you and I (?) avoid?
02-08-2014 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
fyLink

Ok, sounds good, so what makes some people get into the wrong ones that you and I (?) avoid?
I think many people don't care that much about getting these things right as you and me, they have other interests. They can keep the conspiracy theory/religion separate, going on with their everyday life. Then there of course are those that are totally consumed, the fundamentalists.
02-08-2014 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
I think many people don't care that much about getting these things right as you and me, they have other interests. They can keep the conspiracy theory/religion separate, going on with their everyday life. Then there of course are those that are totally consumed, the fundamentalists.
Are you saying that people believe in conspiracies because they just don't care about being right or wrong? That doesn't sound very convincing, and isn't what I found in the 2 articles I posted and the others I read but didn't post.

Also, I wouldn't say that I'm a person that doesn't believe in religion.
02-08-2014 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
Are you saying that people believe in conspiracies because they just don't care about being right or wrong?
Basically yes. I think it isn't that big a deal for many. Not enough for really trying to figure out how it really is. You have to use much of your lifetime for getting these things right.
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Also, I wouldn't say that I'm a person that doesn't believe in religion.
Believe and believe-in-religion are different things. But let's leave religion out of this so we don't get another RGT thread in SMP. But I think they are interrelated. Both are largely based on lacking evidence.
02-08-2014 , 05:24 PM
People don't want to feel that they're being duped.
02-08-2014 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BruceZ
People don't want to feel that they're being duped.
Correct. Believing in a conspiratory theory can give you the feeling you are avoiding to be duped. But then you should be prepared the conspiratory theory may be duping you...
02-08-2014 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
Basically yes. I think it isn't that big a deal for many. Not enough for really trying to figure out how it really is. You have to use much of your lifetime for getting these things right.
I'm not convinced. It seems like these conspiracy theorists do lots of research to find the evidence that supports their view, and I take this to be them trying to prove that they're correct. I think they are very concerned about being right, else they wouldn't bother finding evidence to support their beliefs.

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Originally Posted by plaaynde
Correct. Believing in a conspiratory theory can give you the feeling you are avoiding to be duped. But then you should be prepared the conspiratory theory may be duping you...
I didn't quote this part of the second article before, but I think it's relevant.

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People who fall for such theories don’t trust the government or the media. They aim their scrutiny at the official narrative, not at the alternative explanations. In this respect, they’re not so different from the rest of us. Psychologists and political scientists have repeatedly demonstrated that “when processing pro and con information on an issue, people actively denigrate the information with which they disagree while accepting compatible information almost at face value.” Scholars call this pervasive tendency “motivated skepticism.”

Conspiracy believers are the ultimate motivated skeptics. Their curse is that they apply this selective scrutiny not to the left or right, but to the mainstream. They tell themselves that they’re the ones who see the lies, and the rest of us are sheep. But believing that everybody’s lying is just another kind of gullibility.
02-08-2014 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
I'm not convinced. It seems like these conspiracy theorists do lots of research to find the evidence that supports their view, and I take this to be them trying to prove that they're correct. I think they are very concerned about being right, else they wouldn't bother finding evidence to support their beliefs.
Those are the fundamentalists I mentioned earlier. But then there are the large populations of people believing in some of the theories, out of, was about to say, laziness.
02-08-2014 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
laziness.
I think entertainment is the bigger reason.

Some people invent consipiracy theories for money. A guy like David Icke falls into this category imo.

I wouldn't label conspiracy theorists/believers as being pathological. Obviously paranoia can get pathological, but when it does then it gets so dominant that it becomes hard for people to remain functional, and most theorists/believers don't fall into this category.

In general I worry much more about people who don't believe in conspiracy theories than about those who do.
02-08-2014 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramana
In general I worry much more about people who don't believe in conspiracy theories than about those who do.
How come? Are you worried about their sanity or for what they may do?
02-08-2014 , 08:09 PM
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02-08-2014 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
How come? Are you worried about their sanity or for what they may do?
Maybe not sanity, but certainly intelligence. Although it's pretty close, in the sense that if we are going to pathologize hardcore conspiracy believers, then at the same time I think we should also pathologize people who believe everything that the mainstream media tells them.
02-08-2014 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramana
Maybe not sanity, but certainly intelligence. Although it's pretty close, in the sense that if we are going to pathologize hardcore conspiracy believers, then at the same time I think we should also pathologize people who believe everything that the mainstream media tells them.
I'm prepared to pathologize that. You have fashion, sports (doped), nationalism, and other BS.
02-08-2014 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramana
Maybe not sanity, but certainly intelligence. Although it's pretty close, in the sense that if we are going to pathologize hardcore conspiracy believers, then at the same time I think we should also pathologize people who believe everything that the mainstream media tells them.
The second group doesn't exist.
02-09-2014 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
The second group doesn't exist.
Probably not pathologically, at least past age 10.
02-09-2014 , 02:36 PM
Long before Nero burned down Rome people have ascribe conspiracy actions to events; usually large or significant events that impact their lives in some way. Some explanations for this behavior are discussed above. Others more fundamental or worth repeating are:

It is most disconcerting and uncomfortable to acknowledge the randomness/chaotic/unpredictability of the human condition and our institutions. Conspiracy brings control, even if perceived as evil. A conspiracy of Gods helped the Greeks make sense of the World (and many other societies you could name). It is better that some form of control or direction is guiding our society and institutions than to admit the truth: You (we) are a prisoner of DNA, the earth and all its life forms live on a ball of rock vomit in a vast and useless universe devoid of any meaning or intelligible goal. We are not going anywhere because there is no place to go - Except down to the pub to enjoy a few ales, before Bruce Z teleports them to one of the moons of Jupiter to be enjoyed by some idiot alien.
02-11-2014 , 10:27 AM
Conspiracy Theorists are just people who dislike elites.

They likely hated certain clicks in high school with an absolute passion. Sure, some of us who are not conspiracy theorists may have disliked some of those same clicks, but it wasn't to the same degree.

They likely prefer anarchy of some sort.
02-11-2014 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by jackaaron
They likely hated certain clicks in high school with an absolute passion. Sure, some of us who are not conspiracy theorists may have disliked some of those same clicks, but it wasn't to the same degree.
Clicks are much more annoying than cliques.
02-11-2014 , 07:57 PM
While there may be psychological types that go for the conspiracies, they are also distinctive for their treatment of evidence. They become more certain the more contrary evidence they hear because they get so practiced at dismissing it.

And while we are attributing conspiritarding to character flaws, what about when most of Germany believed Jews were undermining the nation through elaborate, behind-the-scenes influence? Or many (most?) Americans see an existential Islamic threat even though it kills fewer of us per year than aspirin?
02-12-2014 , 01:44 AM
My first thought is, as someone who was as a teenager getting worryingly close to tinfoil hat territory, it's somewhat exciting. It's the stuff of cool movies. And politics is actually quite mundane. Do you want economics or do you want Illuminati and ancient aliens?

The second is that most conspiracies relate to some grain of truth: the idea that a government wants to be somewhat controlling and that a lot of power lies in the hands of a rich elite (that sponsor political parties and lobby governments). They also seize upon legitimately confusing elements (magic bullets and free fall speeds; refer to paragraph one for why some explanations might be less enticing). Do we really know the full story behind 9/11? Possibly not. So posit some explanations for the perceived unknowns and lose sight of that they're well...unknown.

And the third coming to mind is that people in general are very bad at dealing with the idea of falsification. There's the old line about how any evidence against the conspiracy only demonstrates the fiendish depths that the conspirators have gone to. If you've ever argued with a believer then you'll know how they can keep supposing new and weird **** all day without ever getting close to any single piece of evidence that could really dent the overall model. So steel doesn't need to melt to collapse, that doesn't explain why the windows burst like explosives were inside.

I had an argument with a conspiracy theorist who told me about the plans to centralise powers. Being in the UK I asked him how devolution and an impending referendum on Scottish independence could possibly fit into that. The reply was to the effect of "Well, it might appear that powers are decentralising...".
02-12-2014 , 07:49 AM
Michael Shermer's "The Believing Brain" is an excellent book for anyone interested in further reading on this topic.
02-12-2014 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by weird
Michael Shermer's "The Believing Brain" is an excellent book for anyone interested in further reading on this topic.
http://www.michaelshermer.com/the-believing-brain/

Looks solid.
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His thesis is straightforward:

We form our beliefs for a variety of subjective, personal, emotional, and psychological reasons in the context of environments created by family, friends, colleagues, culture, and society at large; after forming our beliefs we then defend, justify, and rationalize them with a host of intellectual reasons, cogent arguments, and rational explanations. Beliefs come first, explanations for beliefs follow.
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The Believing Brain is divided into four parts. Part I, “Journeys of Belief,” includes personal narratives of belief, including that of the author; Part II, “The Biology of Belief,” bores into the brain and explains how the mind works to form beliefs, from thoughts and ideas down to neurons firing across tiny synaptic gaps as they talk to one another chemically; Part III, “Belief in Things Unseen” applies my theory beliefs to the afterlife, God, aliens, and conspiracies; and Part IV, “Belief in Things Seen,” examines the role of beliefs in politics, economics, and ideologies, explains how belief confirmation works to assure that we are always right, and then explores the history of scientific exploration, from the world to the cosmos, and how science works to overcome the power of belief.
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we shall examine how belief systems operate with regard to belief in religion, the afterlife, God, extraterrestrials, conspiracies, politics, economics, and ideologies of all stripes, and then consider how a host of cognitive processes convince us that our beliefs are truths.
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in the end he demonstrates why science is the best tool ever devised to determine whether or not a belief matches reality.
02-12-2014 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
It is most disconcerting and uncomfortable to acknowledge the randomness/chaotic/unpredictability of the human condition and our institutions. Conspiracy brings control, even if perceived as evil.
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
My first thought is, as someone who was as a teenager getting worryingly close to tinfoil hat territory, it's somewhat exciting. It's the stuff of cool movies. And politics is actually quite mundane. Do you want economics or do you want Illuminati and ancient aliens?

The second is that most conspiracies relate to some grain of truth: the idea that a government wants to be somewhat controlling and that a lot of power lies in the hands of a rich elite (that sponsor political parties and lobby governments). They also seize upon legitimately confusing elements (magic bullets and free fall speeds; refer to paragraph one for why some explanations might be less enticing). Do we really know the full story behind 9/11? Possibly not. So posit some explanations for the perceived unknowns and lose sight of that they're well...unknown.

And the third coming to mind is that people in general are very bad at dealing with the idea of falsification. There's the old line about how any evidence against the conspiracy only demonstrates the fiendish depths that the conspirators have gone to. If you've ever argued with a believer then you'll know how they can keep supposing new and weird **** all day without ever getting close to any single piece of evidence that could really dent the overall model. So steel doesn't need to melt to collapse, that doesn't explain why the windows burst like explosives were inside.

I had an argument with a conspiracy theorist who told me about the plans to centralise powers. Being in the UK I asked him how devolution and an impending referendum on Scottish independence could possibly fit into that. The reply was to the effect of "Well, it might appear that powers are decentralising...".
I like these points.

wrt JFK conspiracy theories, i think the brain rejects that such a great man can be killed by a nobody for no reason at all.
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