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Math teachers? Seeking advice.. Math teachers? Seeking advice..

08-08-2010 , 11:44 AM
I've recently become interested in improving my poker game and in doing so I've realized that I'm horrible at math. Actually, that's a true but somewhat inaccurate assessment. I'm not so much bad at math as I am unlearned and ignorant of the basics- or at least I hope that's the case. It's become pretty obvious to me that I'm going to have to remedy this deficiency if I'm going to be able to comprehend and employ some of the more advanced concepts and strategies of the game. I bought NLH: Theory and Practice, and while I'm able to understand most of the concepts that are explained, the math equations that brought the authors to such conclusions might as well be written in latin.

I was basically a little ******* while I was in school. I didn't pay much attention and didn't really learn any math outside of the most basic, elementary school level addition/subtraction, multiplication and division. Once I made it to middle school I was placed in a program called "drop out prevention" after having been forced to repeat the 6th grade. This basically amounted to me being shoved into a room with all of the other little, unruly punks who didn't go with the flow. We did only multiple choice work which was well below our ability level and I learned virtually nothing for the entire time I was in the program. By the time I was put back into mainstream classes I was in the 8th grade and my peers were already learning algebra, while I couldn't even do long division or multiply large numbers on paper. I ended up dropping out soon after and here I am in my early 20's with virtually no math skills whatsoever.

I basically know what I need to do to get up to snuff. I'm not expecting any miraculous overnight results and I'm willing to put in the time and study and everything, but I wouldn't mind hearing some advice from someone who maybe has a better idea than I do on the best way to go about doing this or who is familiar with some type of software that could help me along faster.

Thanks in advance.
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08-09-2010 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by scared money

I basically know what I need to do to get up to snuff. I'm not expecting any miraculous overnight results and I'm willing to put in the time and study and everything, but I wouldn't mind hearing some advice from someone who maybe has a better idea than I do on the best way to go about doing this or who is familiar with some type of software that could help me along faster.

Thanks in advance.
SNG Power Tools. Even if you don't play SNG's playing around with this for a while will help--a lot. Also pokerstove of course. Pokerstove is freeware, I payed something like 60 bucks for SNG Power Tools a few years ago (no idea what it costs now). Also, Excel and one of sheets videos will do the trick. It's a SNG video where he covers the math of shoving or calling all done in Excel, its in a buch of parts, at least 2, probably 5 tops. Gl etc.
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08-09-2010 , 05:22 AM
Take an adult maths course?
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08-10-2010 , 01:48 AM
Well the area of maths you need to know is probability, I don't think a course in trigonometry or calculus will be much use.
Having said that what you really need is a decent memory, did pushing with 2-7 offsuit reap dividends in the past? No? Well it probably won't work now either!

The key thing in your favour is you have a motivation and an interest you will learn pretty quick with that.
There are loads of maths resources on the net.
Try sitting down in a quiet room with a pen and paper and thinking for yourself about what the problem is. you have to start off at the right level, fill in the gaps so you are building on solid foundations. If you still can't sort it look it up on the net but do that as a last resort, it's much easier to remember stuff when you have worked it out for your self rather than learn parrot fashion as once you have done it once for yourself the next time will be so much easier.
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08-11-2010 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by alice22
Having said that what you really need is a decent memory, did pushing with 2-7 offsuit reap dividends in the past? No? Well it probably won't work now either!
The conclusion to this advice is completely flawed. Yes, you do need decent memory, but not for the reasons of incorrectly linking results with optimal strategy.

In your line of reasoning, someone might decide that calling a raise after two callers with aa preflop is the right thing to do because that time their aa made a fullhouse and they got paid off. But really you need to focus on the specific situation you are in and calculate your ev and strategy based on a plethora of factors.

also one of the other posters touched on that you really need a strong foundation in statistics if you want to get more serious with the math in poker. Try not to waste your time on learning some advanced math that isn't going to help you in the short run. In the long run ofcourse it will be good to get educated on any topic, but for your specific poker math problems, I would just focus on gaining strategy from forums, videos and books and when you come across concepts you don't understand then study those concepts.
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08-12-2010 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by blink20
The conclusion to this advice is completely flawed. Yes, you do need decent memory, but not for the reasons of incorrectly linking results with optimal strategy.

In your line of reasoning, someone might decide that calling a raise after two callers with aa preflop is the right thing to do because that time their aa made a fullhouse and they got paid off. But really you need to focus on the specific situation you are in and calculate your ev and strategy based on a plethora of factors.

also one of the other posters touched on that you really need a strong foundation in statistics if you want to get more serious with the math in poker. Try not to waste your time on learning some advanced math that isn't going to help you in the short run. In the long run ofcourse it will be good to get educated on any topic, but for your specific poker math problems, I would just focus on gaining strategy from forums, videos and books and when you come across concepts you don't understand then study those concepts.
But you are speaking of one specific hand, a good memory means you remember lots and lots of hands not just one instance.
What happens here is you remember all those times you called and you found your hand did not look so good after the flop. You remember willing some hands but also losing a lot as.
You will certainly remember calling an all-in with 2-7 offsuit didn't reap many dividends.
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