Yeah I didn't read the OP I mean lol are you kidding me?

To answer your questions, ignoring the weirdness of putting 2 questions per number without labeling them as subquestions:

1a. Obv yes.

1b. Obv yes, but it's way more indirect than 1a

2a. No, most men have peepees and most women have veevees.

2b. Yes.

3a. Based on how breathtakingly sophomoric and stupid that memo was, I'd say it was an error in Google's notorious interview process.

3b. Only if it's in as mindbendingly stupid a manner as that memo.

Interesting. Then yes, it's obviously all sexism if you believe that (apart from female choice and coding being a not-fun job they don't want to do despite the pay, as women tend to have nicer and easier employment choices than men).

The thing I don't understand is why there aren't female fat tails, if talent is equal. And even more so, black fat upside tails. Coding is an activity where sigma makes a huge difference. Where are the fat tails? Brian knows what I'm talking about. The lack of them seems damning to your equality thesis.

If the Muslims didn't invent the modern welfare state there'd still be feudalism so just starting there, I'd say yes, that statement might be a tad false.

Yes, this is a fair point.

Can't disagree with this at all either.

Well, one potential answer is right there.

Test the tests for social constructs and mind some banality.

low iq thread

People from 1900 would have an (approximate) average IQ of 70 if they were tested on using today's tests and norms.

Also, "substantially similar" doesn't do it. It takes almost no effort to get a kid to fail the marshmallow test (a test that has been shown to have fairly good prediction of the future). It is all very butterfly effect-y.

Proud to say i only know marshmallows from the movies lol! Although i have to taste to be fair but i am not particularly inspired by the recipe.

Here is a better alternative idea for quick fun (eg honey instead of more sugar and of course walnuts and cinnamon as well as more well defined protein sources lol)

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/212392/loukoumades/

And to get back on topic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanfo...low_experiment

"The Stanford marshmallow experiment[1] was a series of studies on delayed gratification in the late 1960s and early 1970s led by psychologist Walter Mischel, then a professor at Stanford University. In these studies, a child was offered a choice between one small reward provided immediately or two small rewards (i.e., a larger later reward) if they waited for a short period, approximately 15 minutes, during which the tester left the room and then returned. (The reward was sometimes a marshmallow, but often a cookie or a pretzel.) In follow-up studies, the researchers found that children who were able to wait longer for the preferred rewards tended to have better life outcomes, as measured by SAT scores,[2] educational attainment,[3] body mass index (BMI),[4] and other life measures.[5]"

Tell that to all addicted to videogames kids today (a big f-u to the industry in my opinion for commercially exploiting youth that bad and for not creating a massive series of games that actually require, in an elaborate fit to action non boring or pretentious way, science and math to play and that have spectacular graphics that put to shame any game. Maybe i need to design one). How do you convince a teenager that their adult version is screaming and they cant hear them but you can.

Better yet, make pron that teaches math and science skills. We'd have tons of young men prepared for the most rigorous college curricula we can devise, although they'd probably never make it to class.

That's deep-fried flour & butter.

Easily the best posts of the thread. I've been saying this for years. The first country to wake up to this quantum leap potential for education will leap ahead of everyone within a generation. Yet there is no political leadership anywhere for providing incentives or launching a program to develop this kind of educational technology. A small fraction of the education budget going toward this is all it would take.


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Only math and physics and we've got a festering boil; what we really need is the development of more artistic thinkers and doers . This means that we should get out the paints/palettes and sculpture/clay and make them a primary , not a distant lost tertiary part of schooling.

Color and form reign ; it is the most "practical" approach as the other has failed many times and now we have those few who float to the top and then squeeze the rest of us as themselves, "be like me". LOL

The idea that we must "check the study" or see the statistics when ascertaining a truth is fraught with error and more error. I believe that one can look at the social sciences, history and even philosophy where physics/math has entered into the foray and caused undue harm.

Probability is an effect of "unknowing" and as an example to use statistics to effect social policy is egregious. One can use statistics to "see the fire within" but in no way should social policy be dependent upon these statistics.

Certainly, these great thinkers can offer a "good" for the social in man, and his development, without statistics. This calls for knowledge of man as a being within the cosmos, not an earthly urchin of no consequence which is advocated though not comprehended.

I think Game Play Education Technology (GPET) should be applied for teaching everything. In fact, non-math/science subjects might be easier applications and could get developed first.


PairTheBoard

They would make it to class if there were extra mistress party time points awarded for attending classes. After every class there is an interactive debriefing session.

Come on now use your imagination!

The brain of some people require instant satisfaction to the detriment of long term satisfaction. If we cant correct the problem by pure force of will or reasoning lets use it against the consequences or to minimize the negative consequences. If an addict will do whatever it takes to get to the pleasure they will do their homework too lol. Hopefully one day they will grow out of their addiction. In scientific society porn is just more refined and protected. But the objective is to bring to people real relationships that will make porn less relevant even if never removed.

Of course a distinction needs to be drawn with age. Most addicted to videogames kids i was talking about are in the ages of 11-12-13 so they are not exactly yet attracted by other more adult kinds of pleasures at the same level of attention and drive (they are but you know what i mean) .

Joking aside above i do not find it impossible to have a very good action game that indirectly feeds the brain with so many math and science related facts and need for quick estimates and projections or immerses the brain in that kind of interactive environment that is intimately related to action and its not seen as a boring questions format but something that has to happen in real time decisions as you play the game, its part of the plot. The game may have exciting simulations and a training academy format that feels like training for missions which you gain points for based on performance and enjoy greater adventures as function of how well you perform. Such adventures only unlock with great performance. (flight simulation, spaceship simulation, sports car driving testing for kinematics, billiards etc endless little games that relate to the topics gradually and more naturally)

You can introduce all kinds of geometry, probability, algebra, chemistry, basic physics, coding, simulation designing events/challenges, various driving missions that examine the mechanics of cars, mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, aerospace etc using in the game cars, planes, submarines, spaceships, trajectories on earth missions, in orbit, in the solar systems etc.

You can have time travel, particle physics, mission to other solar systems that teach indirectly astronomy and astrophysics.

My point is the action itself cannot happen unless the commander is well trained to deal with endless challenges that build over time status points that can be redeemed for even more exciting adventures that are hard to unlock without the skills. You may even have financial rewards if certain skill level is met to offer the chance to less affluent family students to win prizes by excelling in the games. You can also have a format where the teen can eventually go into more serious training directions as they transition from the superficial gaming pleasure to the actual love for math and science side as you win their brain the right way eventually.


It could win some of the addicted kids over and definitely enhance the experience for other more regular more under control and discipline young brains to make education at school more imaginative and more moving in the sense of seeing it in action and recognizing its value with endless interactive examples.


Imagine now how many people of different backgrounds find employment in such projects to deliver such quality educational entertainment in a more natural setting (addressing all kinds of issues that require a team to be multi talented and multidimensional in imagination,educational background, life experiences and perspectives. Instead of endless cultural, sex, race wars etc use the differences of people to the team's benefit).

I'm not much of a technocrat and unfortunately I might be called reactionary. I really do mean that the schools should bring out the paint/palettes and sculpting clay and not have the students be lead by second intention through a machine.

Each curriculum in the fields of mathematics, science, history, philosophy, etc... can be included by literally changing the perceptive state of the student where he "sees" like an artist as well as an intellect. I've really said nothing here but the present strictured training by our schools are doomed to failure by fiat.

Anyone who has painted or sculpted or performed artistic dance will understand what I'm talking about as one's psyche enters another realm of perception. And yes, one can still balance the books which is also important.

Another rant is the treating children as little adults which displays an utter lack of comprehension of the stages of childhood and growth. We've seen these advanced degree mavens flash colors in front of infants and manufacture some type of findings for the same; I see this as the real child abuse much like giving 5 or 12 year olds food to prove whether they are mean or not. LOL

Back to statistics, one notes a particular gender is lesser in numbers in a particular field and this thus makes the body politic and individual "racist" or"misogynist" and so forth and so on. This is nuts and the ongoing use, and I mean use, of data in power to effect social policy does not bode well for the human being . One can see the "fire within" but life moves on; mechanism and quality would have to be merged; one cannot count the cosmos.

Mathematics stands on its own, without peer, but the mathematician can display the same faults, foibles and folly's of any man and it shows when he enters the liberal arts and calls something a "social science" or "political science' or "historical science" or the "science of philosophy "in which this" science", born of mechanism, restricts and disables meaningful perceptions and conceptual abilities.

End of rant; each of these fields would have to be studied, in specific, for broad generalizations cannot be formed from one to the other; that's what makes it so difficult; the simple answer is simple but pervasively wrong.

Certainly there are mathematicians, physicists and scientists who see the fallacy of the use of statistics in these "social sciences"; where are they ?

My wife makes marshmallows sometimes. I don't really like them that much.

You don't use logic or arguments on kids, that is for certain. It simply doesn't work for the ones who aren't extremely gullible.

They have to learn it by operant conditioning.

tinder producing some interesting stuff

https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater...r-2ddf370a6e9a

How much different would the results be if it was regarding elephants or moose?

Concerning themselves with things that matter?

A rebuttal is only as good as the minds it sways. It is simply enough to put something out there with florid prose and thick jargon, that advances a position however falsely, and it contributes to the weight of evidence for a position, even if it is pure nonsense. We have finite mind time to devote to each. The giant called hardened rationalism is dying, slowly being beaten to death by a thousand intellectual hammers swung by intellectual downies.

It's essentially a problem of the government subsidizing thinking. Social "scientists" are the parasites that live off that warm, dumb beast, poisoning their host. If you stopped government subsidy of tertiary education, the problem would wither and die.

agree..

Hey, is this the reason we have wars? Because 80% of men aren't getting laid, at least with whom they want.