Although Bosvelt at full sprint would look like he's standing still compared to Robben at a jog

I still can't find those strawmen. Unless you point them out, I'm really going to have to assume that you don't know what you are talking about.

I'm not entirely familiar with the term 'HOMEY'. I have googled it, but none of the definitions that I found make sense in this context. I have seen it used on these forums before, and it seems to mean somebody who only sees good in their own team, and refuses to accept criticism of their team as justified. If you are using the term to suggest I am biased, then I am baffled. You are the one who is arguing that your team should get a significant advantage. I am simply arguing that your team should not. By my vague definition, I cannot see why you are calling me a homey, homey.

Concacaf getting the WC once every 28 years might be perfectly reasonable if it did not mean the same country getting the world cup once every seven times. This is staggeringly unreasonable. It is not North America's turn, that is not how it works. The same country cannot be given automatic qualification and home advantage once every seven times, homey. If another country was arguing for it, you would doubtless be staggered at their cheek, as I am at yours.

The world cup is a major sporting event. The finances are pretty much irrelevant for most sports fans, so long as the matches go ahead. There is a lot of money washing around the game right now anyway. The fact that a few people can make more money from hosting the matches in one place hardly matters to me. I dare say fifa are more interested, but if it was the overriding factor for them, that would be disgraceful. Besides, much of the benefit would be local. The USA is, as you have tactfully reminded us, rather well off already. As for spreading the popularity of the sport, if you need one in every seven to do this, there must surely be better choices.

In short, the key points of your argument are not key points at all. While factors like 'growing the game' and making more money for various people might be factored into the choice of a venue, to argue that your country should get one in every seven on this basis is not in my view honest. You want the world cup on a regular basis, so you come up with spurious arguments why you should get it. I very much doubt that you care about fifa's bank balance, or pretty much anybody else's. I doubt you care all that much about growing the game, any more than I do. You just want to host the world cup, over and over again.

As has been stated already I think, if the USA really is the only choice available in your area, this is irrelevant. You queue like the rest of us. You do not get preferential treatment, homey.

You have attempted to turn my comments about Americans in this discussion into a general attack on Americans. I invite you now to find anywhere where I am making a general attack on Americans. Doubtless you will tell me to find it for myself, like the strawmen neither of us can find. Instead of a general attack I refer to 'some Americans' and 'the Americans who are arguing for this'. I can see how my comments might have made me look like an idiot though, because when you were doing the same about 'whiny euros' I distinctly remember thinking 'My God, what a stupid little prick'.

I don't really care whether the USA gets the one after next, the one after that, or the one after that. What I do care about is one nation being given automatic qualification and home advantage one time in every seven. Explain to me how this is fair. Explain to me how your country is entitled to host more world cups than Brazil, or Germany, or England. It isn't, is it? It cannot possibly be. You have one post left, and then you go on ignore, where I should probably have put you and the other chap many posts ago.

+1, a lot of US posters ITT seem over-eager to go on the defensive. 12/6 is going to be fun

no, it won't be, because the reasonable posters will be extremely drowned out by a bunch of mouth breathing droolers

hahahahahahahahaha

ooda, homey is just a nonsense slang term. its akin to a surfer saying "WHY ARE YOU RIDING MY WAVE, BRO?" even if its not actually his brother that hes talking to.

youre confusing it with "homer"

I think it is a perfectly reasonable argument about USA getting the advantage every 28 years.

You mean 6/12!

Don't want to get in-deep to this discussion, but US getting home advantage is big, however qualifying automatically is largely irrelevant, as they are ~95% to qualify from CONCACAF anyway. It's much bigger for European countries where qualifying can be challenging, even for the powers.

A lot of the argument seems to be due to where the mindsets are. Americans are arguing USA vs Qatar vs Australia for 2022 and the Euros are thinking much broader. In the grand scheme of things whether or not a country "deserves" to host is irrelevant. The fact that they would have home pitch advantage is also irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what Fifa is going to decide in December about 2022. They will choose USA, Qatar or Australia no matter how narrow or broad they choose to think.

I'm simply trying to add some facts and logic into the discussion. I ran across this article today:

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the...s_sold_out_one

American viewpoints will obviously come from a very capitalistic point of view. We will likely not give credence to the "they have enough money" argument because we don't know many large organizations that aren't motivated by money first and foremost. It's just the way our country is wired.

With the smattering of press coming in about how undersold this WC will be I do think Fifa will choose the money route in December whether someone cares for it or not. This argument ultimately takes place in the "who will get the 2022 cup" vacuum. I'm simply stating that I think the USA will get it because of money and money alone and then backing up that argument with points of why the US will make Fifa money and why I believe Fifa will choose the money.

I am frustrated with the amount of xenophobia itt, not because I fear for the future of the global community, but because it detracts from the point I'm trying to make and possible intelligent discussion and rebuttal against said point.

I encourage anyone that is thinking about 2022 to support one of the 3 available nations or come up with an alternate scenario that would be feasible in December. That way we can continue to further an actual academic debate instead of arguing who hates foreigners more.

In fairness this is a pretty good post. Nearly all my arguments are general. Ie in general USA shouldn't host it this often, every 28 years or whatever. This time around due to the nature of the bids etc only Australia oppose them and whilst I do hope they win it USA hosting for 2022 is a very realistic proposition.

Anyone ever find any up to date odds from a reputable bookmaker for 2022 hosting?

lol i just want to say how awesome it is that its possible to bet on stuff like this in particular 12 years in advance.

Its actually only about 7 months in advance.

exactly, this is a wager on who gets it, not who wins it. the announcement is at the end of this year.

woops i assumed that because of the lack of accurate odds available it had to be way longer. mahbadgaiz

Hahahaha.

I think there is a lack of odds because the bookies dont have enough info.

yeah chillax homebro

Hard to turn down a 2000% pay raise (if numbers posted here are accurate).

Obv I want USA just so I can go to all of the games for the low low (compared to flying all the way across the world).

**** the EPL and Europa League, the real significance for Torres' injury is how it affects Spain this summer.

The prognosis could change, but it looks like he'll be back just in time, however, not in peak form/fitness, similar to Rooney in 2006.

If Torres isn't fit, Spain aren't much worse off. as they'll likely bring on Cesc and play with just Villa up top, but they'd rather have all weapons at their disposal.

When is Cesc scheduled to come back? He is obviously going to be lacking match fitness.

Cesc (and our med staff) claimed he would've been back if we had made the CL final.

Spain have been unlucky with injuries, but they have unmatched depth as well as the flexibility to adjust formations/tactics, so we shouldn't be too worried for them.

I'm cheering for Arteta to make the squad but it looks a rash of injuries is the only way that would happen. Unbelievable he hasn't been capped.

Just shows you that you should put your house on Spain to lift the WC