I was too lazy to look up the sagarin rating, but I remembered the -40 line.

OU beat Missouri by 21 points. Not by 1, not by 3, by 21. And they only lost to Texas Tech because Bradford was out.

If it was just the 2-loss team with the best SOS vs. the best 1-loss team, we'd be looking at Ohio State/Missouri.

Bingo. USC's losses are to a horrible, horrible team on a flukey fade pass, and then to the top team in the nation in a nailbiter.

I can absolutely see the argument for LSU over USC, but I still haven't heard a reasonable argument for OU or OSU over USC/LSU.

Somewhat bleaker than Stanford's Nobel Prize outlook this year.

LOL

I'm just saying, you can't call it a "borderline" bad loss as much when you lost to a team that ALSO lost to them, and 3 others. Maybe just IMO, but I think it makes sense.

They'd have between 1-3 losses. They went 11-1 against the 56th most difficult schedule. I'm not sure how that's worse than going 10-2 against the 33rd(including a home loss to a 39 point dog).

Nice job on saying some wrong [censored], getting corrected, and barreling on like it didn't happen. You could work in politics.

ESPN BCS guru is saying that since Oklahoma won, LSU will jump over Georgia, Kansas and Virginia Tech to play Ohio State

UPDATE: Edited as to not look like fool.

Was that the only play of the game? Perhaps if USC was better then they couldn't be beaten by a flukey fade pass.

STANFORD 4 NC TITLE

This just in: Mizzou has been overrated all year. Just like Kansas. And South Florida. And Cal. And BC. And West Virginia.

You guys need to stop talking about the idiotic human polls like they mean anything.

Ugh. I didn't know what to root for going into the day b/c (1) a title game without an SEC or Pac-10 team is LOL and (2) OSU having a shot at the title is also LOL.

I guess LSU gets the shot, and will destroy OSU in basically a repeat of last years title game lesson: The Big-10 is total crap compared to the SEC.

Also, UGA in the title game is way f'ed up. How can a team that didn't even play for their conf. title get a nat'l title shot? WTF? Again, the fact that some conferences have champ. games and others do not is also f'ed up - such a huge advantage for those who don't have the champ. game.

D

PS OSU sucks, and I hate them.

OU lost to TTU in every phase of the game. That game was straight-up domination.

Wait. But Stanford is not = Colorado/Texas Tech. They're demonstrably worse. I understand why it matters that the game was close and fluky stuff happened, but does Oklahoma get to hand-wave away the 4th quarter of their game against Colorado? They were up 24-10 in the 4th quarter, then some fluky [censored] happened. Do we get to forget about that too, or just when bad stuff happens to USC?

This is true. But it's one week, and their QB was basically playing without a finger. Do we really think Stanford would come within 35 points of USC if they played at full health?

I just don't get it...

You think Hawaii is just benefitting from a tough schedule. I think they are truly a very good team. I also felt this way about Boise St last year, while I'm not sure of what your views on Boise St were. Now that we disagree here, I don't care about- lets just agree to disagree on this paragraph and not bother debating it. But.....


My solution is to put Hawaii against a top team in the National Title Game. That way we find out if me or you is right.

Your solution is to omit them. That way we may never find out who was right.


HUH????!!! This is what I just don't get- why would you not want to find out how good Hawaii is?

Its a well known fact that going into a season, most teams realize that if they lose one game then theres a chance they may have lost their national title shot. Every team knows this, and this year every team has lost a game(except Hawaii). So no team(except Hawaii) is truly deserving of a title shot and none have a legit beef of being excluded since they knew going in that a loss could mean no title shot.

edited to add: I don't actually think that Hawaii is a top 2 team in the nation. But I'd sure as hell rather find out for sure than to not find out.

Aren't we already giving OU the same benefit of the doubt that we gave to USC?

USC, statistically, dominated Stanford in every aspect of the game. They got their drives killed on interceptions that, honestly, I don't remember. One TD for Stanford was on a return of one of those INTs. I'd say pretty much the entire game was the downside of variance for USC. Their only other loss was to a healthy (meaning, Dixon played) Oregon team that probably would be in the National Title game had he not gone down.

Who knows? After all, Stanford beat Cal today!

OK. And if Hawaii dominates their bowl game, while a 2 loss Georgia barely throws a hail mary to beat Ohio St, then have we truly found the best team?


And btw, I disagree- the goal is not to find the best team, its to find the team that played the best during the season. Talent alone doesn't win titles, results do.

Yes, a lesson really reinforced by the other bowl game match ups last year.

The Big Ten was the best conference in America as recently as 2005. Stop being stupid. Please.

I'm a Hawaii fan??

assani, im curious what rankings you are using to say boise>mich>anyone osu played

Where did I mention the polls? The point is that Missouri went 11-0 this year in games against teams not named Oklahoma including wins over otherwise 11-0 Kansas and otherwise 9-2 Illinois. They were most certainly not "overrated".

Beating them once at a neutral site is a better win than is held by any of the top contenders. Beating them twice including a 3 TD win at a neutral site is much, much better than anything the top contenders have done.

Assani,

Hawaii is getting hosed by the computers. Its possible for LSU to be #1 twice and lose both times, and have pretty much every #2 lose, but because big mainland teams keep ducking them, we will never get a chance to find out how good Hawaii is. I'm not saying they deserve the Title Game, necessarily, but its sad, because this is the overall best Hawaii team since they started getting ink with Timmy Chang lighting everyone up.