Team labron hasn't made a coherent point in a few weeks.

Let me know when they start giving out Eastern conference championship rings.

I’ve explained this to you numerous times.

Use minutes adjusted stats in reg season because every team has 82 games scheduled no matter what. This means # of potential games is same for every player.

Can’t use minutes adjusted in playoffs bc every team plays different numbers of games. Players who sweep opponents would get penalized over going to 7 games. This makes no sense. So use rate/efficiency numbers like BPM in playoffs.

None of these stats are perfect no matter what you do. They only act as approximations. Since wins and rings are ultimate goal factor that in as well. Jordan approximately ahead of LeBron on stats. Jordan way ahead on rings.

I’m not trolling (until people less intelligent than me start throwing around insults. Then yeah I’m trolling.) Please stop saying that.

It’s pretty clear you’re either not capable of understanding my arguments or you’re only reading like 10% if the posts for context. I explained the reasons for using rate or minutes adjusted in post above. Can you read it a few times, let me know that you understand it instead of this “wah wah this shows MJ is probably better peak than LeBron me no likey”

Do you understand the difference between peak vs total career? Like you understand a career is composed of different years, and if you want to compare players top x years you can do that right? Have you taken a math class with summations or integrals? Like you can integrate from year 1 to 3 and it doesn’t blow anything up.

When Heroball posted that link where they compared top 3 year playoff stretch for every player, what did you think? Did you email the website owner and tell him this made no sense and was mathematically impossible?

Tell me what you disagree with on this before I go on because we aren’t getting anywhere.

What's amazing is that neither of you understand that your posting would be amazing, surreal, top-drawer trolling were it trolling. Unfortunately it isn't.

Jordan is losing ground by the page. Every post by his supporters wins Lebron new supporters.

When Tatum is the GOAT in 15 years, all of these posts by everyone ITT just gonna seem so empty.

As Ricky Watters once said "For what? For who?"

Thats adorable that you think they would have won at full strength when there is no evidence whatsoever to support that.

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How is this thread still active? Mike Jordan would dominate a dry erase board, LAbron literally crumbled taking it one on one.

Subtle. I like it. It's like ninja trolling. Ninja dressed up in camouflage trolling even.

I post iron clad logical refutation of LaSlappy playoff assertions using actual data, and rather than take a step back and question your assumptions, you accuse one of the few people using statistics and logic of being a troll to throw people off the scent. Excellent work.

You almost got me man. estefaniocurry GOAT troll, no question. The MJ of trolls. I bet your TPM (Trolls Plus/Minus) is off the charts.

SRS is a pretty overrated stat, imo. Particularly, since the early 2000's Lakers started/popularized the whole "flip the switch" strategy i.e. don't start trying until the playoffs. We've seen LeBron do it for, what, 6-7 years now? The Warriors did it last year (to a degree) and certainly did it this year. The Spurs don't "flip the switch" per se, but they do give their players a ton of rest during the regular season.

Added to that, you've got the bottom 25% of the league, blatantly, tanking for higher draft picks (which has always been a problem, but never to this degree).

Does anyone actually believe the 2018 Warriors (5.79) are basically the same team as 1998 Jazz (5.73)? Or that the 2018 Raptors are the, what, 6th best team LeBron has ever played against in the playoffs? Of course not. But this is what you get when a couple of the very best teams hardly put in any effort during the regular season --- the above average teams get an inflated SRS.

Exactly. If you want to compare Lebron to Bird, Kobe, Duncan or Magic that's a fair comparison. Comparing him to MJ is not close.

lol no its not. lebron to kobe is proly the dumbest thing posted itt.

Bieber GOAT musician though...

Ok u got me there

Yea he only won 5. Let me guess Gasol was an all time player.

Pau gets crapped on but he made the all-nba team 4 times. He's probably a top 75 player all time. Bynum was a pretty great 3rd option before he crapped out--he too made an AS team and was 2nd team all-nba for 1 season. Odom was a pretty solid 4th option and glue guy. At the time, other than the Celtics and maybe the Spurs they were pretty damn stacked. They definitely ran decently well to make B2B2B finals and win 2 (they were pretty damn good the 2nd finals team and first winner).

bynum sucked when the Lakers actually won titles, was just a banged up big.

Odom/Fisher and 1 of Ariza/Artest was legit though. Especially for the teams they played.

Nobody is telling their grandkids about the '09 Magic/Nuggets or '10 Suns.

Gasol was really good. Not an all time great but definitely a really high level #2 guy. Shaq was definitely an all time great tho and he was the key to those first 3.

If gasol was gifted to the Cavs rather than Lakers then LeBron would have won all the titles in that timespan. Instead he was winning 60+ games with mo Williams and drew gooden.

The gap between Kobe and LeBron is astronomical. It's such an idiotic idea that i would think you are trolling if I wasn't already aware of your stupidity.

Yep, I know the narrative. Lebron had awful teammates, anybody you compare Lebron to had great teammates. Lebron has played against the toughest competition, everyone else has played against easy competition. That Lebron he's just so unlucky.

so its not unlucky to have faced golden state and the spurs? he did well to win 3.

and kobe played with a top 5 all timer in shaq. lebron? its a joke. when lebron was teamed up with another all timer he won 2 titles in 3 years. then wade fell apart.

but kobe is not even close. to think so means you are mentally deficient.

its not "narrative". its fact. compare regular season or playoff stats and its just not even close that lebron is in another stratosphere than kobe. like, kobes best season compares with lebrons worst non rookie season. thats it.

per is not the best stat. its not especially granular. but its a good box score production approximation and large discrepancies do matter. kobes best per was 26.1 and 26.2. lebron only had 3 seasons worse than that at 18.3 (rookie year), 25.7 and 24.5. his average is 27.7.

the playoffs are even more separating.

also, just watch them play any time.

Kobe missed the playoffs in a league where more than half of the teams make the playoffs. This happened when he was smack in his prime. LOL you.

I actually think that there is an argument against lebrons ability to impose his will on the league. kobe whined and cried so much that the league forced the grizzlies to trade pau gasol for kwame brown.

the cavs could have easily put together a better package. and many teams could have put together a way better package than the cavs or lakers.

but it is clear why that deal was done and it was becase the league wanted the lakers competitive and wanted kobe happy in LA. lebron does not have that kind of pull with the league and that is really the only argument.

Facts you say? Here is a fact. There has never, ever been this many excuses made for any athlete in the history of sports.

He actually doesn’t. Bieber GOAT musician was never claimed ITT. More fabrication and lies. Typical though.