Damning evidence.

Not only does labronze make his teammates worse, he's also a terrible GM. Excepting Mo "All-Star" Williams, JR Smith, and T'ristan Thomas, every 'bronze teammates has to sacrifice $tats and money to serve the king. On rare occasions, they get to win a ring too, but usually lose in the finals.

I could live with the ball-handling... the entire game is predicated on the pick and roll, and 9 out of 10 are moving screens. it's clownshoes but all you hear is how awesome this Era is. mainly from people who actually understand that awarding 3 free throws for a fouled 3 point shot breaks the game mathematically... another point that gets ignored because everyone runs a motion offense and shoots lots of 3s! it's like rec ball, only with pros!

I'll watch the 3 point contest if I want to see "awesome" shooting. huge swathes of the skills needed to play historically are dying. players are more athletic and less talented than ever.

Of course LeBron doesn't make his teammates better.

What’s better than rings? These guys are bottom feeders and would be playing themselves out of the league elsewhere. Except for Klove and apparently Rodney Hood who can’t cope with being a professional athlete.

Not possible though. Remember everything improves so much year to year that any 6 year old is better than any 7 year old is better than any 8 year old etc. to infinity.

Thus the paste eating 6 year old listening to Justin Bieber and playing with his LeBron bobblehead is clearly GOAT paste eater.

You see how I'm using your arguments against you to make you look stupid? You make this too easy. Time to slank away like LeBron vs. Mavs 2011.

I think there is merit to the fact that a team like the Cavs has no offensive system because LeBron is the offensive system. Lowe has made this point before. This is 1 of the reasons why they couldn't even maintain a neutral point differential when they had Kyrie and Love and LeBron still had to go 37 mpg in 2016-2017.

But just listing guys like that is gonna have flaws, a lot of guys on that list made their stop to the Cavs or Heat as a last stop in their careers (or last relevant stop) When you're a capped out team, that's the type of guys that you are going to add as your 7th-8th-9th men sometimes.

Or a guy like IT with his injury, or Crowder with his mom dying. Or Wade getting older his last 2 years with LeBron. It's just kinda noisy.

A Mike Miller, Shawn Marion, Shane Battier, Jeff Green, etc are on their last stop.

It's definitely become more homogenized than ever with all the pick and roll/3pt shooting. Hopefully the next evolution is all the switching defenses leads to different type of offensive skill-sets cming back as more plays will be forced into isolation. Midrange, post ups, foul line extended high post play, we'll see...

Every era has it's pros and cons though.

most guys joining up with bron are going to decrease their usage and change their role. i guess that's what the stats are showing. i would assume most players joining other all time greats with high usage are normally going to drop in stats.

Willd,
While you are still completely wrong, at least you put some thought into this so it improves on the typical Bron arguments, so bravo.

Of course when I was saying the better scorer a player is the more often he should shoot (on average) and less he should pass, the obvious implicit assumption is that all else is equal in a given situation. This should be clear based on context.

When I said "if he [LeBron] was a better scorer..." I obviously mean keep his passing ability the same, teammates the same, situations the same, etc. it would be the correct decision to keep the ball in more situations if he was intrinsically a better scorer. Like we're not turning LeBron into Ante Zizic and comparing pass vs. shoot analytics.

I get that you guys are upset I've proven the MJ side correct after all this time, but this nitpickery is tiresome.

LOLOLOL

You’re not using my arguments, you’re just typing random gibberish. But I suppose a man of your “intelligence” would think that makes me look stupid.

OK, glad to see you are backing down from the idiotic claim that everything improves so quickly year over year that everything now is better than everything a few years ago and there is no variance involved. Good talk.

(FWIW I don't think this makes me smarter than you, so don't get your panties in a bunch. I simply convinced you that you are wrong and you conceded. It happens to all of us. Well not the MJ side, but all of you guys.)

Matt R is really good at winning arguments against himself

Your side is blindly overly confident especially you Matt, it's obnoxious. I forgot why I have you on ignore, now I remember.

Oh snap. capone0 forgot why he has me on ignore while reading my posts. Ignore function -- how does it work?

Anyway, if you guys haven't noticed I'm only obnoxious when you guys say really ****ing dumb **** while throwing ad hominems out left and right. When you actually say something intelligent and not call people idiots for being correct I play nice. Didn't mean to hurt any feelings, but posting is more fun this way when I'm interacting with tards.

I can’t back down from a claim I never made. Your post is fiction.

He really is a literate version of montreal.

are they restricted to this thread? they have 0 basketball posts not in this thread this season/playoffs. i'm guessing they are.

Yep I’m the only one being obnoxious in the thread. Not like you guys are insulting people like Montreal or anything.

What’s hilarious is you guys don’t realize I’m just throwing your ad hominems back in your face. Like maybe try a little self awareness.

Is what restricted to this thread? I hardly post at all anymore if that’s what you’re getting at. This thread just caught my attention because I found the topic interesting, noticed the LaSlappy side saying stupid ****, and bullying posters like Montreal. I like to swoop in on those kinds of threads when I’m bored and make the idiot bullies look dumb. It’s like a bat signal. Again, didn’t mean to hurt any feelings and cause any long term trauma. Just having fun and giving you a taste of your own medicine.

montreal speaks in an unending stream of non sequitors and strawman fallacies. thats the comparison.

I haven’t read all his posts, but is it possible that you think they are non sequitors because you aren’t smart enough to understand him (like with my arguments)? Just throwing possibilities out there. Like I said haven’t read all his posts.

And I admit to doing the strawman thing, and it’s in response to the idiots on your side doing it first. It’s more fun that way when you’re talking to people who obviously can’t understand basic logic. Glad you noticed! Smarter than I gave you credit for.

Oh and go Cavs lol.

I mean, to be smart enough to accept montreal's (and your) arguments would require a person to be a ****ing idiot. so, no. not possible.

Victor and mullen havent made a salient point itt for literally years, just constant put downs of quality posters like Montreal and Matt R

why make an argument when the other side is going to either ignore it or lie about it?

I mean, your post is a clear lie as I have repeatedly destroyed all the idiot complaints about lebron while posting proof of his goatness?

Now this just isn’t very nice and is a most uncharitable view of my p0sting quality.

I actually agree with your side because of the superior arguments you present, I’m just messing around. For example, it definitely doesn’t matter that LeBron lost two finals on a self selected superteam to old Duncan and old Kidd (those terrible players from the 90’s). Also it’s clear as day that LeBron would avg 51 ppg if he played in the 90’s. Presumably with players like Kidd and Duncan who he torched when they were 38. Also Bird couldn’t make a team cuz he played prior to 2011. And the most convincing argument imo was that Justin Bieber is a better musician than John Lennon, proving humans double in ability every 30 years or so which is why MJ probs couldn’t score on this Cavs team. Old Mavericks proves this point cuz LeBron just stomped them.

Thank you for helping me see the light. My arguments that team success combined with stats matter in determining how good a player is were just trolls.