You do realize Lebron has a higher win shares/48 than MJ ever had in a single season right?

Lebron has 4 of the top 12 seasons alltime; Jordan has 3 of the top 12. Lebron is also only slightly behind Jordan went it comes to that stat and how cares if he does it the pg style way, jfc you're points are stupid. Jordan's career PER is 27.91 and Lebron's is 27.61. obviously Jordan has a few years of Washington mixed in and Lebron has right out of HS mixed in but will likely have a few fade years to deal with.

over and over the same stupid points and same dumb ****. jfc, dude, read some of the points and stop going on the same repeated tangents and points. some of your points don't even make sense nor are logical.

dont let something like rules get in the way. or having any consequences for breaking them.

and dont stop randomly insulting people with different opinions that you just assume they have.

i see you posting in live mid-high stakes nl. acting like you "get" live poker, only to make posts supporting taking pics of random players you think are bad for the game(i.e nits) and outing them online.

however its clear from posts like that and this one here you dont "get" much.

fine if you don't like bonds who couldn't win despite basically super hero stats on solid squads. how about trout? who do you think is the GOAT baseball player; there isn't as much consensus although I know Ruth is typically an answer I hear. it's not like they took away wins or anything at the time. their only punishment is HOF votes.

building super teams is not easy, it gets harder if you start being picky about which stars fit better together, you gotta take what you can get and try to win championships

also, obviously this. The warriors are probably the best team ever and they didn't win 70 games, they're underdogs to do it in any given year

It seems from the stats like he is also lolfinals

yeah 27/8/6 on 61% TS, with 31/10/9 on 68% TS in elim final games, ****ing lolbron

lol Triangle appreciation itt. If the Cavs ran the triangle, they probably win 45 games and are out in the second round of the playoffs.

first off this post was not directed at you specifically, but only a reply to a troll coming out of left field.

in addition i never mentioned ruth, nor may or aaron as consensus goats.

i am merely pointing out that when you mention bonds, most people associate him with taking enough peds that his ***** head outgrew his helmet!

and that taking those peds had a nonzero effect on his career stats.

and we can argue till we are blue about the significance of the nonzero effect, but you can not deny the fact that these athletes(who take peds) are willing to risk their public image, suspension, money, and merit of career accomplishments for such peds that some here say are irrelevant(or at the least a non-factor in goat discussion).

as far as trout is concerned. perhaps we should wait and see. i dont think you can crown him as goat already. based on his performance so far, one can conclude it's a possible outcome.

labron still has a chance to overtake mj. but so far he doesnt have the personal stats or the team accomplishments to legitimately argue that he is goat. the only arguments here to say otherwise is that he faced greater competition or had worse teammates. hard to quantify that.

Lebron has no chance to catch MJ for the MJ slappies. Lebron reals off 5-0 in Finals to end his career, and probably puts up worse Finals stats than he has already done up till now. If that happens and we look back at his 3-5 Finals record with his ridiculous stat lines will his stats now become OMG he's the best? People think he is a choker now, think Larry Hughes was good, and think if Lebron just played better he would be 6-2 in the Finals. If people believe these last 3 things there is no hope for them.

words cant describe how completely lol wrong this is.

3-5 bro

lol i get live poker more than 99 pct of people on this site even though that has zero to do with this thread.

wow i supported a picture of a table full of people on their phones/tablets th e horror!it's funny how that bothers but you not anti social clowns who suck the fun out of poker and even worse berate fish.

the entire league was on steroids so i'm not gonna be self righteous and act outraged about bonds. i also notice despite the fact you brought up live poker threads mention nothing about my aaron/mays comment,which isn't surprising at all. \

as for the bolded- it's clear you're the one who doesn't get much at all. at the time bonds played there was no actual rule against steroids, selig and the owners all knew players were taking them in large numbers and turned a blind eye to it/encouraged it. magically when it fit their narrative to be anti steroid they acted like naive little children and threw bonds under the bus. of course this all goes way over your head. sorry your innocence was ruined when you found out about steroids.

keep fighting the good fight about mj. what's funny is even though he is actually better than lebron people make horrible arguments as to why.

trash him for the dallas series all day. but otherwise have you actually ever seen him play in the finals?

don't forget pippen wasn't that good, jordan didn't leave the bulls to ring chase,lebron is scum for leaving as a free agent (while jordan can retire in him prime while under contract) and true champions like kobe bryant would never leave to ring chase despite the fact lebron waited until he was a free agent to leave after carrying trash for 8 years while kobe forced a draft night trade to play with shaq in his prime.

Wtf are you talking about ?

lol. so the cats out of the bag. monty knows nothing about the history of the nba confirmed

kobe refused to play for anyone not named lakers and told charlotte he would rather sit than play

MAMBA MENTALITY

no you disturbed pos, you supported and encouraged the act of secretly taking pictures of private citizens gambling at a casino and posting it online with the sole intent of "outing" them as nits, anti-socials, clowns, watever. and as bad as they are for the game, that cowardly act is just as bad if not worse!

and while these "bad for game" players are not breaking any rules, you go on to argue that steroids and watever ped is acceptable because everyone else was doing it. you have no moral consistency and you dont "get" chit!

and wat is your point about may/aaron? did i mention them as goat ever? why does your saying amphetamines = steroids need a reply? and also they took it(may/aaron) because you said so? or because you assume so. something you appear to be good at.

Glad nih han is finally here to tell us the truth when the US Government spend several years and tens of millions of dollars trying to prove Barry Bonds violated MLB steroid policy or committed a crime and was unable to do so

what is your point?

that barry bonds never did steroids?

that everyone did back then so boo hoo?

barry bonds never officially got caught with steroids so too bad?

or is this just another one of your ***** 16000+ worthless posts?(how many hours of wasted life is that anyways?!)

My point is , bad GM !
Like kobe would agree to lose millions not playing for 1-3 years

You think first time a draft pick or rookie in other sport, did not try that garbage ?
Imbecile charlotte GM that fell for it imo.

I would draft him and sit him on the bench if I would had too .
A facking rookie, regardless the talent he has.

Imagine if all of them start doing it ...

right

so if kobe demands trade, and the gm does it. its bad gm

if lebron gets nothing but garbage for 8 years and leaves via free agency, its bad lebron

ok

1)you're not too bright so i'll help you out. something can be bad for a poker game without being against the rules. i never said someone is breaking rules by being on their tablet for example.i said it's bad for the game.why is that distinction so hard for you to make?your reading comprehension is terrible.

lmao@the bolded. you are far better at being a comedian than you are at being intelligent or logical. do you even know what being disturbed means? if you think people having their picture being taken in 2017 playing a poker tournament in which the results will be made public is disturbing you must live in a bubble. the world is full of really disturbing things- this is not one of them.


this is also the last time i'm going to reply on poker topics in this thread.

2)my point on mays/aaron is so many people who trash bonds clemens etc either know guys like mays and aaron popped amphetamines like candy but are complete hypocrites about it or they're ignorant of them doing it (like you, which is fine maybe you'll learn something) and look silly with their bonds is the scum of the earth aaron is the real home run king argument.

and no aaron and mays didn't take peds because i said so or assume so. it's well documented and common knowledge for anyone who actually knows about the history of baseball. and not to pick on mays and aaron either. almost everyone did them. despite what old blowhards would tell you, baseball players of past eras weren't quire boys. they were happy to cheat or get an edge where they could. they just didn't have access to the same stuff bonds took.

again there wasn't EVEN AN ACTUAL RULE that bonds broke on the books at the time he played. to top it off the powers of be in the major leagues either encouraged or turned a blind eye to rampant steroid use.

i really don't care who you think is the goat baseball player because your list wouldn't even have bonds near the top which is absurd.great you'd put probably put babe ruth over mays which is fine, but tons of players ahead of bonds making your list worthless.

lol are you being serious? kobe forced his was to la without playing a minute in the nba. funny how the same people who trash lebron for leaving as a FREE AGENT either don't know this or give kobe a total pass for it.

My point is that Barry Bonds never violated MLB steroid policy which is indisputable fact.

We actually have a whole thread in SE where clowns like you get repeatedly owned on this topic so go ahead and use the search feature if you want to learn something today.