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Originally Posted by Victor
well, its not who has had the better career, its who is the better player.
Who has the better career has to be a part of the discussion. Thats one of the things about MJ. He had the stats, dominance, star power, and career. That's what makes a GOAT, the complete package. Look at the GOAT of all the major US sports. They all have the complete package.
Baseball = Babe Ruth
Football = Jerry Rice
Hockey = Wayne Gretzky
Basketball = Michael Jordan
LBJ is not even close when it comes to career. It's simply to early and he has not yet dominated when it counts. What new standards of excellence has LBJ set?
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Originally Posted by capone0
it's weird that surroundings don't play a role in your ratings of players--when they clearly play a huge role in Duncan's success and a players ability to get a ring. like Duncan has had literally the best situation possible. he went to a team that tanked and had a good team without its best player. he then was gifted a top 5 coach of all time. and then his team hits the jackpot on multiple occasions with low picks on international flyers. when evaluating players it should be their performance that really matters, not how well their team does especially when a ton of that is clearly outside the player control.
SA was an underachiever before TD. They had never won a title. Their coach had never won a title. They could not win with Rodman and Robinson. TD brought them to the next level. HE makes everyone around him better. LBJ somehow seems to make Bosh and Wade worse.
Basketball is a team game. One of the criteria to be the GOAT basketball player is you have to be the best player on one of the great teams of your generation.
It might be possible to be the best baseball player and be on bad teams. Though i'm not sure how it would effect your star power and the ability to judge how you perform under pressure of big games. A Rod was considered by many to be the best baseball player in the majors until he joined the Yanks. Since he joined the Yanks, his inability to perform in the playoffs had hurt his status.
Last edited by powder_8s; 06-02-2013 at 04:01 AM.