So it's RM - Juve once again, let's go

New challenge. Achieved all he can at Juventus. Manage in the PL.

They'd have to give him a truck load of money and another couple of trucks to sign players. It may actually happen now - similar to us, the owners are going to have to spend money to make money now that CL isn't 100% every season.

Yeah but they only get 7.5k fans, isn't possible.

ya lord knows the only way you can get good players is to pack some dump stadium in the middle of nowhere for some league that no one cares about

Also, RM - Juve was the final where RM chose me as a supporter, that's when I felt the calling. Good memories, hopefully this final will be even better.

felt the calling to be a GHW

lol

I like British refs better too. Glad they kept Isco and Ramos on the field on tuesday.

great gamne by Juve

there really is no better manager in terms of prepping for ONE game than Allegri. if BARCA were smart they would hire him the day after the final, doesn't matter if he "doesn't" fit their personnel. I think he would be tremendous. and id be sad to see him leave Serie A

Alves looked like he was in his prime.

**** la liga, FORZA JUVE!!!

No one thinks Ronaldo is better than Messi as an individual player, but that doesn't mean there aren't lots of us who prefer to have Ronaldo on our team. Ronaldo can play a mediocre match and score a hat trick. He's effective. Any manager knows what to do with him. He's not a tax cheating troll.

Didn't really foresee both ties being over after the 1st leg.

Quite boring. Might even have to skip watching return legs altogeteher.

It does feel kinda dirty having to support Juve to win this thing, but that said; forza Juve!

Buffon certainly deserves to finally win one of these.

So in other words, Messi is ~43 % more likely to make an assist in any given game.

That's actually pretty huge.

They've also conceded a whopping 2 goals this entire CL campaign!
And those goals were both from a setpiece.

They're scary/freaky good defensively.

Insecurity. Sense of entitlement complex.

They're supposed to be the top dogs in Spain, but have only won the league once in the last 8 years. It hurts.

That's also where Ronaldo's antics stem from, I reckon.
There's absolutely no doubt that he's done every single thing he possibly can to become the best ever, but still falling short thanks to Messi must hurt.

RM fans also seem to draw more enjoyment from failure of others than from success of their own. It's weird.

Bad winners, bad losers. Probably bad drawers, too.

While I sort of agree with the sentiment in your post, statistically speaking Messi is actually better than Ronaldo in both of those categories; Messi's goals expected per shots taken is quite a bit higher than that of Ronaldo's.

Ronaldo having a field-day here and there doesn't change the fact that he just doesn't have the consistency comparable to that of the little magician.
But then again, who does? No one.
Most likely no one will either. In our lifetime, anyway.

Messi is way way more likely to dribble past someone, more likely to make a key pass, create a chance, score a goal, make an assist, win a duel.
You name it.

And obviously Messi's also much more important contributor in the build-up play and less dependent on the service of others in general.

Ronaldo's pretty deadly in the box, though. Especially in the air.
Say what you will about Zinédine "re-inventing the cross" Zidane, but he's squeezing the most out of Ronaldo's current abilities.

Anyway, I'm quite hard-pressed to find a single meaningful statistic where Ronaldo is ahead long-term. In fact, winning aerial duels might be the only one.

And that's not a good look for a player, who's self-proclaimed 'best ever', when even amongst the current crop of players there's one who's better in every aspect of the game.

I quite like Ronaldo, and he might go down in history as the 2nd greatest of all times, but comparing him to Messi and somehow coming to a conclusion Ronaldo's the better footballplayer is a surefire sign of the evaluator simply lacking objectivity.

hot yes, but you clearly haven't seen the potato cam videos of Messi owning fools at the age of 5 or whatever

Pummi, I honestly think you need to make another 5-6 posts to convince us that Messi is the best. I think you should just go ahead and try to convince us he's still in the CL, because everyone else says different. It must be some sort of inferiority complex that doesn't allow us to see him in the CL anymore.

It's good business. It's reasonable to believe that TBTVDITW is a bubble to some extent and cannot continue forever. Smart clubs will, to lend a phrase from our beloved ex-chancellor, try to fix the roof while the sun is shining because things could get very ugly when the bubble bursts.

This is definitely the noise that the Southampton board have been making.

First of all I said it shouldn't be possible and I already mentioned they need CL football every season. Not sustainable, ask Peter Ridsdale or David Murray. Neither is banking on being able to sell your kids for €100m every summer.

I think we'll agree now that it is just money behind Monaco and not a magic formula only know to them.

Can we get someone with a master's to clear this up? This is really interesting.

Maybe the magic formula is a stadium located between 2 marinas full of yachts that motivates the young players they buy on the cheap to reach their full potential to be able to live the easy life one day!

CL every season might be tricky with only 3 Ligue 1 spots. PSG seems like a given every year, Marseille is already spending more money with a new owner, Lyon is usually tough, then you have the odd team like Nice or Saint-Étienne who is solid once every few seasons.

I'd wager you know very few, if any, actual Real Madrid fans who go to actual Real Madrid games.

Cricket players and Americans count for nothing.


Hmmm so Ronaldo's previous 6 seasons have ended with him scoring more than 50 goals. Messi has scored 50+ in a total of 4 seasons in his career to date. He'll probably get his 5th this year.

Consistent?

What?



Right, I see. So, that's why Messi beasts the internationals and lifts Copas and Mundials all the time, right?

Seems to me that "the service of others in general" might include the fact that arguably one of the finest teams in history enables "the little magician" to do what he does.

Cool story etc

Right, because normal humans objectively evaluate art. Very good.

that is some incredible goal post shifting, from "never passes to his teammates" to "not as many assists as the guy who played tiki-taka all his life"

I remember when Messi scored those 2 goals against a Bayern without 6-7 starters, at home. The repercussion was massive, mostly because Messi has waaay more casual fans than Ronaldo. Way more people relate to Messi, the shy, average looking, humble boy, not flashy, always quiet etc. And a lot of those casuals just want Ronaldo to do bad, they don't want the alpha, tall, rich, handsome male to win. They find it unfair. Can you imagine Messi doing what Ronaldo did in the last few months? They would've gotten him a statue at the Camp Nou right now.

And then... then all of a sudden, the sky got darker. And darker. Fast.

They just got pummeled, they never saw it coming. Messi being 4-1 in Ballon d'Ors, Mourinho trying to destroy RM, trophyless season, new coach, new project, new players etc. They hoped the instability at RM would persist, as it always did since Ronaldo came. Messi would just thrive, nothing would stop him. The World Cup final, the big, BIG dream right there. The absolute crown.



AND THEN THE MOTHER****ER got pissed. BOOM, Ballon d'Or. And another one. And another one. 5-4 now and he's cruising to 5-5 from 4-1 BdOs.

BOOM Champions League. BOOM another one. AND BOOM other final, 3 in the last 4 years, while crushing every record, his own anterior records to be more specific. And we are in pole position to win the league as well. It could easily be 4 BdOs in 5 years and 3 CLs in 4 years.

5 goals against Bayern? Neuer? 3 goals against Atletico, AGAIN? Can you imagine if Messi did that this season? 47 hat-tricks, Jesus Christ...

And the Euros. Oh... The Euros. WHO THE **** SAW IT COMING? Against Germany? No way. Spain? **** off, that's impossible. England, France, Italy, Belgium, Poland, Croatia? ZERO chances.

Tldr

ritsdr

What the ****ing **** is wrong with Real Madrid fans?

They're all ****s. Especially the GHW variety.

grate poast

RONNIE