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09-24-2014 , 10:00 PM

#1126

dkgojackets

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it could show ward doing something stupid like running down the racetrack, dont want to be accused of victim blaming

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09-24-2014 , 10:07 PM

#1127

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Originally Posted by dkgojackets

it could show ward doing something stupid like running down the racetrack, dont want to be accused of victim blaming

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09-24-2014 , 10:19 PM

#1128

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Something about a civil case and him being high.

So it seems pretty relevant after the fact.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11582687

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09-24-2014 , 10:27 PM

#1129

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What happened during the grand jury and today has nothing whatsoever to do with any potential future civil claim

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09-24-2014 , 11:23 PM

#1130

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Yes but the fact he lit one up before a race is just flat out ****ing stupid(if anyone were to do it). Its different if it was a baseball or basketball game

Yea, that's messed to do. He was putting others in danger by doing so.

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09-24-2014 , 11:51 PM

#1131

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Originally Posted by Bdidd

What happened during the grand jury and today has nothing whatsoever to do with any potential future civil claim

Idk if you were commenting at what I said, but I made no mention of the non indictment that happened today, so we agree?

Was just pointing out, as linked by the vid there, that Ward being high enough to "impair judgement" may cost him/his family/estate whom ever the chance at winning a civil judgement.

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09-24-2014 , 11:53 PM

#1132

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So stoned guy walks out into the middle of a racetrack, in front of a multimillionaire, who's there just to have fun in butt**** new york and people still think this is an issue.

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09-25-2014 , 12:59 AM

#1133

brandoncla

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Game over Bdidd. Night night

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09-25-2014 , 06:49 AM

#1134

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It's not a game bro it's a 20 year olds life, not surprised considering how desperately you want to slurp on Stewart that you don't see that.

It also isn't over. Civil suit incoming

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09-25-2014 , 08:23 AM

#1135

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Originally Posted by Bdidd

It's not a game bro it's a 20 year olds life, not surprised considering how desperately you want to slurp on Stewart that you don't see that.

It also isn't over. Civil suit incoming

Game over to your antics itt bro'

You've got maybe 3-4 more posts left before everyone that stopped listening to your quacked out conspiracy crap continues to stop listening.

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09-25-2014 , 08:25 AM

#1136

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Originally Posted by Bdidd

It's not a game bro it's a 20 year olds life, not surprised considering how desperately you want to slurp on Stewart that you don't see that.

It also isn't over. Civil suit incoming

lololololol a civil suit will get laughed out of court bro

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09-25-2014 , 08:46 AM

#1137

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I thought marijuana tests were generally based on the presence (or absence) of the drug in your system and specifically couldn't tell if e.g. he'd lit up a pre-race blunt. That likely still affects the legal liability (afaik it's not uncommon for certain wrongful-death compensations to be dependent on systems clear of drugs), but why are we assuming the kid was running around the racetrack actually stoned?

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09-25-2014 , 08:50 AM

#1138

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These races last anywhere from 15 minutes to maybe an hour at the most. At a small local track he could have smoked within 10 or 15 minutes of the start. Not sure why you think it had to be hours prior.

You do realize weed is a drug that stays in your system far longer than other drugs? So yes, hypothetically he could have smoked 5 min before the race but he also could have not smoked in a couple weeks

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09-25-2014 , 08:56 AM

#1139

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Originally Posted by ChiddyBang

Go back and read the post to which I responded. I was just making the point that at a small local track in a minor series that he likely could have smoked at any point up to within minutes of the start of the race. And that these races don't last long.

Just to make it clear what my position is: I don't really care if Ward was stoned, am glad it wasn't presented to the grand jury, and wish the DA never mentioned it in the press conference.

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09-25-2014 , 08:58 AM

#1140

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lololololol a civil suit will get laughed out of court bro

Burden of proof is much lower civilly versus in a criminal matter.

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09-25-2014 , 09:06 AM

#1141

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Burden of proof is much lower civilly versus in a criminal matter.

It still requires > 0 evidence, so I think Tony Stewart is in the clear here.

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09-25-2014 , 09:11 AM

#1142

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I think burden of proof for a grand jury to recommend charges is only probably cause. That's a pretty low burden.

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09-25-2014 , 09:21 AM

#1143

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Originally Posted by Bdidd

Burden of proof is much lower civilly versus in a criminal matter.

are you aware of the difference between a grand jury and a trial?

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09-25-2014 , 10:38 AM

#1144

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Of course. What I'm saying is TS has some exposure here given the circumstances and the legal burdens involved.

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09-25-2014 , 12:25 PM

#1145

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Of course. What I'm saying is TS has some exposure here given the circumstances and the legal burdens involved.

Not really.

His insurance would cover the whole tab (defense + settlement or judgment based on negligence).

Of course, in order to have the case pass the pleading stage, plaintiff will have to allege intentional tort.

But, a smart plaintiff's attorney will also allege negligence to keep the insurance policy in.

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09-25-2014 , 02:11 PM

#1146

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The likelihood of a civil suit succeeding here would seem to be quite low.

It's a lower bar to win a civil case than a criminal case, but there's still a bar. I believe the phrase is "the preponderance of evidence" would have to show him guilty/culpable/etc. Given the fact that the grand jury saw all the DA's evidence (and no defense) and didn't choose to indict TS on anything... it's just very unlikely anyone could win a civil case here. There just isn't any level of evidence, and way too many mitigating factors in TS's favor.

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09-25-2014 , 03:11 PM

#1147

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Can I start driving over potheads and get away with it?

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09-25-2014 , 03:18 PM

#1148

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Originally Posted by wiper

no idea how long those races last, or how long they had been racing (read: how long since dude could have feasibly smoked), but I get some of the best hybrid weed that scientist-types can grow, and unless I purposely smoked myself stupid (read: no waaay I'm driving, too busy either eating popcorn or laughing at Mario not being able to jump over two moving mushrooms), there isn't any chance I'd be *high* enough to be making *high* decisions what I'd assume would be several hours later...

easier way to say all that: yeah sure he had weed in his system, no ****ing way it caused any behavior many hours later.

I used to get REEALLY high to play mariocart in college...3 hours after I smoked, I was either asleep, casually doing laundry or smoking again.

LOL at "wasn't brought up to jury" but HEY TONY STEWART HATERS the kid was HIIIIIGH.

that's despicable

how do you know he wasn't smoking while driving?