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12-05-2007 , 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

cabrera overrated? He's one of the best players in baseball

The best players in sports are usually the ones overrated.

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12-05-2007 , 02:33 PM

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The OPS numbers seem to suggest that the AL has tougher pitching.

And possibly slightly more pitcher-friendly stadiums.

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12-05-2007 , 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

cabrera overrated? He's one of the best players in baseball

being -20 runs a year defensively hurts ur value a lot. and hes also run good with the bat. PrOPS says hes more of a 900 OPS hitter than what he's actually done. cabrera isn't even close to being a top ten player

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12-05-2007 , 02:42 PM

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"The cause of all this. He was overworked at to young an age.

197 IP at age 22, 236 IP at age 23, 224 IP at age 24.....this is sick. Even worse than the abuse Mulder, Hudson, and Zito endured. "

Buehrle came up similarly.

22: 221
23: 239
24: 230
25: 245
26: 236
27: 204
28: 201

His 2006 season was terrible (4.99 ERA), but his 5 previous seasons were average-to-great. Last year he rebounded (3.63 ERA) and his Hits, HR's, and walks were all down, while his strikeouts were up.

So, maybe Willis can have a re-bound year, IF the only reason for his suckiness last year was fatigue.

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12-05-2007 , 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

cabrera overrated? He's one of the best players in baseball

QFT

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cabremi01.shtml

Most similar players by age.

21. Hank Aaron
22. Hank Aaron
23. Hank Aaron
24. Hank Aaron

I sure hope he is able to pick up the pace and doesn't end up like this guy! Overrated!

#2 and #3 most similar batters through age 24: Ken Griffey Jr., Frank Robinson.

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12-05-2007 , 03:21 PM

#106

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Miguel Cabrera could eat Hank Aaron for breakfast.

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12-05-2007 , 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack of Arcades

Miguel Cabrera could eat Hank Aaron for breakfast.

Lol, that's the problem with him.

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12-05-2007 , 04:23 PM

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i think that this was good for both teams, but that the Marlin's were probably the winners

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12-05-2007 , 04:30 PM

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Miguel Cabrera could eat Hank Aaron as an appetizer before eating Mo Vaughn.

fyppppppp

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12-05-2007 , 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeyPatriot

The best players in sports are usually the ones overrated.

Unless they're jerks like Barry Bonds. Than they're almost underrated.

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12-05-2007 , 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by iamawesomer

Unless they're jerks like Barry Bonds. Than they're almost underrated.

What is funny is that at least rate-wise, Barry probably still projects as the best hitter in the majors again next year.

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12-05-2007 , 05:55 PM

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What is funny is that at least rate-wise, Barry probably still projects as the best hitter in the majors again next year.

God, I hope the A's sign him.

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12-05-2007 , 05:59 PM

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What is funny is that at least rate-wise, Barry probably still projects as the best hitter in the majors again next year.

This is so pathetic. The man is could have bastard grandchildren by now and he still a big fave to post the highest EqA in MLB.

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12-05-2007 , 06:02 PM

#114

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Originally Posted by BowToYourSensei

yet another .300 slugger the giants passed up on.

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

GOGOGOGOGO ANDRUW JONES!

this is what i was saying yesterday. SERIOUSLY trade every single player we have for willis/cabrera and use minor league players to fill in the team and we are better than we are now.

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12-05-2007 , 06:13 PM

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This just in:

The Marlins ENTIRE payroll for 2008, as of right now, is $8 million.

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12-05-2007 , 06:18 PM

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This just in:

The Marlins ENTIRE payroll for 2008, as of right now, is $8 million.

Andrew Miller will be their highest paid player I think.

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12-05-2007 , 06:33 PM

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Andrew Miller will be their highest paid player I think.

holy crap!!!

marlins only have 3 players older than 30.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/fl...16T_E3vtMa0bYF

this is insane!!! this may become a sick team in 3 years.

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12-05-2007 , 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sylar

holy crap!!!

marlins only have 3 players older than 30.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/fl...16T_E3vtMa0bYF

this is insane!!! this may become a sick team in 3 years.

Very true, and possibly even 2 years. People don't realize they had a good team last year, they were just lacking in starting pitching and defense. The defense just improved with this trade, and will get better. The starting pitching was an issue because of injuries and nothing else. They have a very solid offense, and one of the best bullpens in the NL. I see a WS title in the near future.

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12-05-2007 , 07:12 PM

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But their offense just got a whole lot less solid.

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12-05-2007 , 07:48 PM

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Well yeah, but I assume Maybin will be the leadoff hitter, Hanley has plenty of power so they can drop him to the 3rd spot, so it will still be fine.

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12-05-2007 , 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hornacek

Granderson
Polanco
Cabrera
Ordonez
Sheffield
Guillen
Renteria
Pudge
Inge/Jacque Jones

Verlander
Bonderman
Willis
Robertson
Rogers?

I'm giddy

this is so awesome. the tigers are basically fielding a softball line up.

It's nice that all 9 starters are all stars, or future hall of famers.

The line up, if I were the coach:

Granderson CF
Polanco 2B
Maggs RF
Cabrera 3B
Sheff DH
Guillen 1B
Rentaria SS
Jones LF
Pudge C

Inge is the utility guy. He will probably start 50% of the games as a catcher, 3B, 2B, CF, or LF.

If the tigers stay healthly, this isn't even fair.

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12-05-2007 , 08:41 PM

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Fortunately the Indians lineup is not significantly worse, and the pitching is better. Should be an interesting AL Central.

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12-05-2007 , 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

I said the exact same thing 5 years in a row.

~Signed, fan of the 2003-2007 Yankees.

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12-05-2007 , 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubeskies

I said the exact same thing 5 years in a row.

~Signed, fan of the 2003-2007 Yankees.

It certainly wasn't fair to opposing pitchers. Yanks were 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, and 4th in runs scored over those years.

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12-06-2007 , 12:20 AM

#125

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It certainly wasn't fair to opposing pitchers. Yanks were 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, and 4th in runs scored over those years.

WS Rings= 0

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