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Tebow is so ****ing awesome

What are the views of the Tebow fanboys on the following theory:
Denver oline is pretty good at runblocking but pretty bad at passblocking and thus they accidentally optimized their play by going with a running "QB"

Also, if you watch DEs, they don't pass rush. Everyone just tries to bull rush, because if they lose contain they're screwed. Tebow has an incredible amount of time in the pocket as a result.

Lions did well because their tackles can collapse the pocket

I think the biggest lesson to be learned from the Tebow-show so far is this:
- we all know defensive linemen tend to get tired by the end of the game so running the ball tends to work
- running the option works even better against tired defenses (my opinion)

-> No huddle, fast, don't allow many subs + option should be a very explosive mix. I actually think Tebow could be used to construct that offense. I'd work him out like a dog in the offseason throwing short slants and stuff...imagine him throwing good short passes and running a nohuddle up the field, not allowing subs and then option runs near the redzone with defenders that have their hands on their hips...omnomnom i likey

I'm also not convinced by the "running game isn't great for comebacks" arguments. It makes some sense because you want to stop the clock with passes to the sideline + OOB or march across the field quickly with deep bombs but I think if you speed up the entire offense it's suitable enough to comeback. The key is that you need to speed up the play once you get down by a TD or FG even anticipating the situations where you would be down 14 and leaving more clock for the slightly slower comebacks.

This happened last game, and to a lesser extent in the Jets game. I mentioned it earlier how you have to give up a pass rush in order to contain Tebow's run.

Football outsiders makes the claim that Tebow is the reason they are winning.

This isn't remotely true. You just need to be disciplined in your pass rush.

thats one of those things thats a lot easier to say than do

Perhaps I could have worded it better. How about, "the threat of a great running quarterback often leads to inefficiencies in the defensive pass rush".

This is probably true but I think teams often sacrifice overall defensive efficiency for a great pass rush. Teams worry so much about getting to the quarterback that they lose contain and general gap integrity. This works in Tebow's favor a lot, obviously.

Tebow is way more effective than I ever could have imagined. But, I think when teams look at his tape over the offseason, they're going to note these things and make adjustments. They're going to say "look, if we just play more disciplined defensively against him, he's going to struggle because he can't pass." When/if defenses make these sort of adjustments, Tebow is going to struggle a lot. In that sense, I don't think Tebow's effectiveness is going to be sustainable. NFL defensive coordinators are just too good to allow it to continue long term.

This is such an elite thing to say to a team:

Proverbs 27:17: "Iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another."


I am so humbled and in awe right now.

Seadood, thx for the footballoutsiders link, very cool stuff.

The problem with Tebow's development track is that unless he totally overhauls his game he's going to peak by his fifth season. Runningbacks don't last that long and as long as Timmy is having 15-20 carries a week, he's on the career trajectory of an RB.

Sounds like gaycode to me.

God bless.

Proverb 34:144 reads, "When no woman shall touch thou, then thou shall post thousands upon thousands of times from thy mothers basement."

he's had 9 startes now and teams should know what to expect...why haven't/can't these adjustments take place in season?

Because you have other stuff to do during the season. Not even the football geniuses at 2p2 could just completely change their game plan for something they were not expecting to happen this year.

See: Wildcat, The

edit: and saying he's had 9 starts now is pretty disingenuous.. they've been running the offense based on run-spread concepts for what, 3 or 4 games?

word, I don't really disagree with your overall point. just think its more complicated than saying "stay in your gaps" (which I think you agree with). just don't know what all that would entail

How long was the wildcat ultra successful? Only 3-4 weeks, right? I know they ran it all year but if my terrible memory serves it only really blew up for a smallish number of games

wiki tells me belichick solved the wildcat...will be interesting to see if he can do the same to tebow (lol)

coach on survivor beat him to it

Define solved?

After all they have scored 17, 16 and 17 the last 3 weeks. 7 of the 17 against the Jets was a defensive TD. They have not lit up the scoreboard. I am guessing that most teams would be thrilled to hold an opponent under 20 in the NFL.

I applaud the nice touch with the proverb number. Maybe it's different in the US or something but if someone would cite the bible to motivate me at work I'd just laugh.

< 27 yards = solved, > 27 yards tebow still elite

Obviously, it's more complicated than staying in your gaps, but being disciplined is the best way to defend offenses like this.

I believe Dye or someone else mentioned it ITT or in the game day thread, but the Chargers were scraping a linebacker. That just means that the defensive end was crashing towards the running back consistently with the LB filling his space to keep contain. The QB in the zone read is taught to read the DE. If he crashes, you keep it. With the Chargers DEs crashing, Tebow kept it a lot more but the Chargers had a defender in the space that was supposed to be vacated. That's what accounted for Tebow having considerably more carries for a smaller average.

Now there are certainly adjustments for the defense scraping. I'm interested to see if Denver adjusts for that in the future. I think the real issue is that defensive ends in the NFL are just incredibly athletic. If you run into an athletic DE, he can keep contain and make a play on either the RB or QB (or force it to someone that can). That's going to result in Tebow holding the mesh point (keeping the ball in the stomach of the RB) for longer. If the opposite side DE is crashing hard, it could lead to a lot of blind side hits on Tebow.

The guys playing against the DE are also incredibly athletic though.

They will never solve it.

brilliant analysis