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09-22-2010 , 06:18 PM

#351

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He hasn't had any hint of pain or injury to his knee in two years. That's a long time. Downgrading him for injury concerns at this point is pretty lol and not based on much.

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09-22-2010 , 06:19 PM

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I think his post was mostly spot on.

You would.

nath nailed it. Reggie Wayne 1st round pick, Joseph Addai 1st round pick, Dallas Clark 1st round pick, Donald Brown 1st round pick, Anthony Gonzalez 1st round pick... etc. Imagine if the Colts picked some real talent to go with Peyton!

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09-22-2010 , 06:20 PM

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Tarik Glenn 1st round. Undrafteds blah!

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09-22-2010 , 06:21 PM

#354

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At least once you get to the playoffs, you'll be shooting 63 free throws a game (assuming we have NBA refs)

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09-22-2010 , 06:21 PM

#355

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I'll check back in a few hours

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09-22-2010 , 06:22 PM

#356

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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka

wade is def the #3 NBA guy.

This.

I would have probably went with #2 QB though.

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09-22-2010 , 06:27 PM

#357

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Originally Posted by mjw0586

He hasn't had any hint of pain or injury to his knee in two years. That's a long time. Downgrading him for injury concerns at this point is pretty lol and not based on much.

No, it's based not only on history, but also on Wade's playing style and body type. Much easier to make a living driving to the basket with lebron's body than with wade's. Wade definitely more injury-prone than the two NBAers drafted ahead of him, and there is nothing "lol" about downgrading him accordingly.

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09-22-2010 , 06:31 PM

#358

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Originally Posted by sergsz

I don't disagree with that, but that's just normal injury concern that most everyone has. I expect people to downgrade a bunch of other players in that case.

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09-22-2010 , 06:31 PM

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There is a reason most of those Colts 1st round picks haven't flamed out.

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09-22-2010 , 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EPiPeN11

wade would def be the #3 guy if he was non injury prone, i'm not sold that hes gotten completely rid of that label he could go down any minute and i wouldnt be surprised.

as usual, ppl overstate a players injury risk while understating his rivals'

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09-22-2010 , 06:33 PM

#361

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While this is accurate, I don't think its really a concern in a single season draft as he's still only 28. He's still the #3 nba guy in spite of this.

Also, injury prone labels are usually dumb since we don't apply them until someone gets hurt. Its terribly results oriented.

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09-22-2010 , 06:34 PM

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Be real, this is pretty LOL coming from you.

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Did Assani Fisher write this post? Really?

I've certainly gotten bored and quit on things before, but I'm probably the most active 2p2 drafter in the early stages of each draft. Maybe EpiPen could be considered as well. I've certainly never signed up and then just not checked back in for a few days. And the times I do sign up and not complete(which hasn't once happened since I promised that it never would again maybe ~9 months ago), I have no problem with people booting me out of the draft ASAP.

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09-22-2010 , 06:35 PM

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howard def has a much higher injury risk than ppl would think. being 7ft does that. being 7ft and taking roids makes it a bit worse.

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09-22-2010 , 06:35 PM

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At least once you get to the playoffs, you'll be shooting 63 free throws a game (assuming we have NBA refs)

Yeah I meant to mention that we're basically going to soul crush any team with Dirk on it, so that's a plus.

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09-22-2010 , 06:37 PM

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after thinking about this some more, all the top 5 picks should be NBA guys, because its the easiest sport for the top 5 to be the best in. IMO anyone else making a first/second round pick that is an NBA'er outside the top 5 would be failing hard.

I think pairing two 2nd tier NBA guys is a legit strategy that will lock you up a top 10 spot in NBA and then allow you to concentrate on other sports with the rest of your early picks.

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09-22-2010 , 06:38 PM

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not to single any one person out....but has anyone heard of Mazjr13??? Not that im THAT active anymore, but is anyone actually surprised he was skipped? never seen his name...where does he post?

edit: h made one post in the sign up thread:

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"Def want in if there's still spots open"

...and just like that, he was never seen of or heard of.

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09-22-2010 , 06:39 PM

#367

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howard def has a much higher injury risk than ppl would think. being 7ft does that. being 7ft and taking roids makes it a bit worse.

Right. I've never heard someone called an injury risk before he's gotten hurt so the label is really stupid. I think skinny undrafted is arguably more of an injury risk than Wade.

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09-22-2010 , 06:39 PM

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as usual, ppl overstate a players injury risk while understating his rivals'

Vic is quietly owning the whole draft atm.

I think Wade's injury risk is about the same as D12/LBJ/#4 at this point. His style of play is more a long term concern than one season imo.

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09-22-2010 , 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by WaterWalker

The folowing is NOT a hyperbole:

Peyton is worth much more then 1/16 or 1/22 or anything like that.

evryone says he has a much better supporting castt than the average team, which is just not entirely true.

He MAKES his team what it is. He MAKES Dallas Clark. He MAKES Reggie Wayne. He MAKES Jeff Saturday. He MADE Tarik Glenn. He MADE the Colts what they have been for the last 12 years. AND HE WILL DO THE SAME ON MY TEAM!

The FoD Saying "If you build it, they will come"...is applicable to Peyton more than any other athlete. (Peyton being the "building"... and actually they dont come, but he transforms them).

Whereas, Labron on the otherhand goes to where it is already built.

Anyone have a list of some players who played with manning but left for another team while they were still in their primes? Off the top of my head, Marshall Faulk is the only one I can think of, and he was actually better without Manning.

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09-22-2010 , 06:41 PM

#370

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Originally Posted by mjw0586

[x] way more WIM than the first three picks combined

Dwyane Wade

you drafting bennett salvatore and joe crawford as well?

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09-22-2010 , 06:41 PM

#371

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Originally Posted by Seadood228

I think Wade's injury risk is about the same as D12/LBJ/#4 at this point. His style of play is more a long term concern than one season imo.

lollllll

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09-22-2010 , 06:43 PM

#372

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Originally Posted by vixticator

exactly....this is a horrendous argument taken up by the manning supporters here.

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09-22-2010 , 06:44 PM

#373

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Originally Posted by TheUntouchable

Right. I've never heard someone called an injury risk before he's gotten hurt so the label is really stupid. I think skinny undrafted is arguably more of an injury risk than Wade.

Of course the injury-prone label is results-oriented, but that doesn't make it invalid. Likelihood of injury depends on chance, general body type, playing style, and the interaction of playing style with the player's paritcular body. Injury history is the only data point that we have on the fourth of these factors, and in that it is a pretty significant (though by no means completely reliabe) predictor of probability of future injury.

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09-22-2010 , 06:44 PM

#374

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Originally Posted by EPiPeN11

lollllll

Its not that far off, especially considering his usage should go down a fair bit. He'll have no need to be putting his body at such risk as he won't be carrying an entire offense.

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09-22-2010 , 06:45 PM

#375

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Originally Posted by TheUntouchable

Its not that far off, especially considering his usage should go down a fair bit. He'll have no need to be putting his body at such risk as he won't be carrying an entire offense.

altho his injury risk irl is less because of this, this draft does not factor this in as mjw will have him carrying far more offense than he will be irl

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