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05-12-2015 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
I'm actually Skip Bayless.

no ****ing way skip has a > 3" penis, so fess up to one lie or the other.
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05-12-2015 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Quick_Ben
So in the last 4 days grant land has only done 2 TV themed podcasts. Guess we shouldn't expect too much sports related stuff until the smoke clears.
New Lowe Post pod just got posted with Jeff Van Gundy.
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05-12-2015 , 07:01 PM
The incredible part is Skip is insanely dedicated to his work. Read about it once. Take notes Trollstoy. This is what it takes to get to the top.

He also eats chicken and broccoli for dinner nearly every day of the week.
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05-12-2015 , 07:08 PM
Does Grantland post podcasts on the weekend?
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05-12-2015 , 07:09 PM
the most interesting thing for me personally out of all this is: i seem to have missed the point when grantland became a respected website acknowledged to be producing top content
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05-12-2015 , 07:13 PM
JVG coming off incredibly stupid/tone deaf in the latest Lowe podcast re: coaches.
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05-12-2015 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Yeti
the most interesting thing for me personally out of all this is: i seem to have missed the point when grantland became a respected website acknowledged to be producing top content
I thought it was when they hired Zach Lowe.
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05-12-2015 , 07:17 PM
yeah, they're definitely at that point. Not 100% of what they do, obviously, but enough of it is really good that they deserve their solid reputation.
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05-12-2015 , 07:27 PM
I think that's one of the main problems. They are trying to be The New Yorker, US Weekly and Mad Magazine all at once.

Nothing wrong with catering to multiple demographics, other sites have proven that long form sport journalism can't really stand alone (Sports on Earth), but it certainly is a mixed message.
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05-12-2015 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Yeti
the most interesting thing for me personally out of all this is: i seem to have missed the point when grantland became a respected website acknowledged to be producing top content

ehh not sure what you're looking for. it's not the economist but it's some of the most entertaining, easy reading sports and pop culture stuff out there. Doesn't need to be super intellectual to be good
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05-12-2015 , 08:08 PM
Wesley Morris is fairly intellectual. Zach Lowe and Bill Barnwell aren't exactly 'intellectual' but they're the sports version of it imo. And they semi-frequently have long-form reporting that's really good.

Of course, they have an obsession with covering ****ty reality TV as well. They swing pretty widely on both ends of that spectrum.
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05-12-2015 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Caldarooni
With no BS podcasts I've been listening to more hardcore history. The trickle down effect from this firing is far reaching.
maybe the best podcast oat
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05-12-2015 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GBP04
ehh not sure what you're looking for. it's not the economist but it's some of the most entertaining, easy reading sports and pop culture stuff out there. Doesn't need to be super intellectual to be good
i'm not trying to be contrarian. i don't read enough of the site to know whether the praise i'm seeing bestowed upon it is merited or not. i just (incorrectly?) assumed that it was still akin to the early days where 80% of the content was guff.
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05-12-2015 , 08:20 PM
In the interest of full disclosure, I am tworooks and Bill Pidto.
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05-12-2015 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by KanMan
JVG coming off incredibly stupid/tone deaf in the latest Lowe podcast re: coaches.
He's better at the whole "truth" thing when he's talking off-the-cuff during games without his guard up. In general, it's hard to ever get these ex-coaches to even whisper a bad word about fellow coaches.
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05-12-2015 , 08:29 PM
Yeah him and Collins will go to bat for any coach

Really can't think of a coach who will actually say anything bad about current coaches tho
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05-12-2015 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by cannabusto
The incredible part is Skip is insanely dedicated to his work. Read about it once. Take notes Trollstoy. This is what it takes to get to the top.

He also eats chicken and broccoli for dinner nearly every day of the week.
lol why do I get a picture in my head of Skip hitting the treadmill at 5am, lifting weights and eating clean just to be on top of his trolling game.
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05-12-2015 , 09:18 PM
No joke, that's essentially exactly what he does.
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05-12-2015 , 09:57 PM
Shame on you Zack Lowe for wasting an entire podcast trying to get Jeff Van Gundy to say anything negative about an NBA coach. That pod was an absolute disaster. Not a good start to the post Simmons era.
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05-12-2015 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by lloyd45
list of grantland pieces about deadspin, since 2011:0
Grantland is too classy to stoop into the muck with Deadspin; after all, they're busy with serious projects like obsessing over what certain showrunners ate for lunch that one time.
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05-12-2015 , 11:23 PM
Saw nath was the last post and knew exactly what it was going to be (not a shat- nath is right).

I'm really starting to think that there are no good professional TV critics. Even Dan Feinberg basically reviews based on " did this meet my invented expectations?"
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05-12-2015 , 11:37 PM
what makes a good pro tv critic? i think that if their article/podcast gives me one more nugget of inference, one more important plot point, or one more clue i may have missed while watching, they have done their job.

I do think the HP guys are better at criticizing the TV business as a whole than individual episodes of TV, as I do not agree with their takes on shows very often.
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05-13-2015 , 12:00 AM
I enjoy the Wesley Morris/Chris whoever/ Simba podcast for entertainment but never been into Greenwald at all. Think there are some legitimate criticisms of TD like anything else but do think some of the things they have said about his brother are just weird and kind of gawkeresque where they just create this narrative about someone for really bizarre reasons that don't make sense and no one really cares and they don't seem to let it go. I don't even think it is malicious at all really just strange and annoying.
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05-13-2015 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Dids
I'm really starting to think that there are no good professional TV critics. Even Dan Feinberg basically reviews based on " did this meet my invented expectations?"
I'm not sure if you saw the series of reviews on The Shield that I posted last year, but I became friends with the guy who wrote them, and we've had this discussion a few times in the past (because I love TV as a medium and think the current state of TV criticism is absolutely crazy).

What we concluded: The biggest problem, right now, is simply that TV critics aren't TV critics. They're cultural critics masquerading as TV critics. They don't write about "Is this show good or bad and how/why?" and "How did I respond to this show?" so much as "What does this show say about our culture?" and "Does this show promote the kind of values I want to see in our culture?"

That's how you get articles like "Is it sexist that Silicon Valley, a show satirizing a male-dominated industry, has a male-dominated cast?" or "Sure, John Oliver is doing great, groundbreaking work with Last Week Tonight, but did we really need another white male on late-night TV?"

Are the shows good or bad? Who cares? What do they represent?

We need more TV critics willing to write about ars gratia artis.
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05-13-2015 , 01:40 AM
i'm surprised that delly has avoided a total exposing these playoffs since it's comical sometimes how outgunned he is athletically

imo his ball denial is legitimately useful and i wonder how many seconds on average he wastes with it. i wouldn't be surprised if someone looked into it and found that it's surprisingly impactful as a defensive tactic. seems like something backups pgs should be doing as much as possible
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