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06-17-2013 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen
looooooooooooool there's a depends for men that's being pitched by siragusa

holy **** i couldnt' stop laughing at that commercial
yeah i started seeing that on TV recently, pretty disturbing to think about Tony Siragusa's leakage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_ObLrOpDZA
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06-17-2013 , 08:05 PM
Yeah I think the trend of trying to make everything manly has finally seen its death knell. I thought it was over when Miracle Whip was becoming extreme, definitely thought it had both feet in the grave when Diet Dr. Pepper (the favorite drink of my mother) starting proclaiming it the manliest beverage, but Tony Siragusa trying to make male leakage seem tough is just incomprehensible to me.
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06-17-2013 , 08:10 PM
Gosh i only posted that weeks ago
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06-17-2013 , 08:27 PM
Veep, season 1 especially

It's possible it could suck real bad real soon though.
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06-17-2013 , 08:29 PM
Not surprising late round bad poster enjoys Mad Men. That show requires you to have a personality disorder to enjoy it.

There's too much camera jumping in Sopranos. It's like its hiding their bad acting.

Hannibal on NBC is turning into the next Deadwood. Incredibly gripping show that requires everyone to give it a watch.
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06-17-2013 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
I don't understand why you're required to insinuate that I'm a misogynistic drooler who approves only of sex and violence in my television if I don't esteem Soprans and Mad Men as best ever series. I think both were / are enjoyable, but outclassed by better fare (and I think Sopranos is an interesting choice if the previously described drooler mentality is a mark against a television viewer).
because this is what's at bottom of many Internet dismissals of TV characters and thus TV shows.

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In any case, Mad Men is not nearly as dense as a good novel and, more importantly, the characters are malformed compared to their incentives / are downright unbelievable in ways that reveal themselves under scrutiny. The show is a vehicle for lazy and/or slipshod historical parallels that fail to move or inform the characters and the viewers, except where overacted and questionable (Pete this season, for example, reacting to [spoiler]).
Boy, all these examples you're presenting are really making your case. A whole one.

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At least the last two full seasons have been comparatively poor as opposed to the previous seasons. The "foreshadowing," such as it is, is both heavy-handed and intentionally opaque, serving as a stand-in for cleverness in the writing and plotting of both individual episodes and entire story arcs.
'comparatively poor as opposed to the previous seasons.' Welp, you're not getting in a writer's room anytime soon. Juvenile insults aside, this doesn't really mean anything at all - I consider Mad Men's use of foreshadowing, such as it is, to be one of its worst characteristics.

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The shock value arises not from the believability of the crises facing the characters, but the contrivances of the writer's room re: how to un-boring the plot, whether it makes any sense or not. The characters are difficult to love and easy to lose. The sets trump the scenes and the hamhanded way the writers have introduced the anachronistic qualities of [spoiler - certain characters] are downright funny because futile.
This again is a lot of words about something but doesn't have very much content. The characters are difficult (read: impossible) to love but I don't think this is a mark against the show, necessarily.

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The show has lost its enthusiasm for what it is and turned into a downright boring soap opera wrapped in Matthew Weiner's overblown intellectual trappings.

/rant
And there it is, the S word finally comes out. Took you a long time to get to it. Do you know what the word soap opera connotes and how Mad Men is precisely not that? But ah I know - not enough people getting killed. I'll strawman again because the word 'soap opera' appearing in your critique is of course expected.

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Is Mad Men not still an examination of how characters both cause and react to widespread cultural changes? Of how gender and race dynamics changed (and didn't change) during the time period it covers? Of how cultural attitudes shape an individual and an individual passes on those cultural attitudes? At worst, Mad Men can be criticized for being an examination of how wealthy people lead empty lives, but the wealthy tend to be the culture creators - advertising must be always aware of cultural shifts and at bottom cultural desires. The focus of the show has changed some with our main character - Don Draper isn't interested in these things anymore, and so he's failing in his work. What has led our philandering but successful man down this rabbit hole? And how can he ever hope to get out? And Don Draper isn't the only character on this show - the main cast are all very well fleshed out wrt personalities and desires
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06-17-2013 , 08:37 PM
Man, I tell ya, I was thinking earlier: this thread needs less talk about the CHALLENGE and more intellectual jousting between hipsters and lawyers. THE GODS HAVE ANSWERED MY PRAYERS!!!
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06-17-2013 , 08:39 PM
Look at nuts hot trying to start a debate on whether God exists or not.
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06-17-2013 , 08:41 PM
The old gods. Not God.
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06-17-2013 , 08:46 PM
nutshot on theology
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06-17-2013 , 08:51 PM
I always really enjoy Triumph's posts on Mad Men.

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06-17-2013 , 08:51 PM
Me too. In the Mad Men thread
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06-17-2013 , 08:52 PM
I'd watch

Last edited by mjw0586; 06-17-2013 at 08:53 PM. Reason: @SRM
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06-17-2013 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
Sopranos somehow gets underrated. Its for sure top teir. Also started this whole amazing tv thing which kind of matters.

It's super rewatchable not sure how it hasn't aged well.
Not sure why it starting great TV matters when ranking enjoyment. It's great, but I just have it clearly tier 2.
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06-17-2013 , 08:56 PM
yeah i'll knock it off, GOAT TV will come up in the next 6 months and we'll have this debate again
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06-17-2013 , 09:17 PM
i hope you're dicking around hotnuts because i've wasted an hour already writing you a CHALLENGE handbook. do i need to delete this ****
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06-17-2013 , 09:19 PM
I'll read your challenge opus, bus
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06-17-2013 , 09:24 PM
i can't wait to see how much of THE CHALLENGE you screwed up

ive been watching since the original battle of the sexes where the men copied the women's puzzle for the win
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06-17-2013 , 09:25 PM
Let's see it 8bus
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06-17-2013 , 09:28 PM
COLIN GOAT.

not going that far back as it'd take me days. just filling in on what you need to know for upcoming RIVALS II
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06-17-2013 , 09:42 PM
you guys watch a lot of TV shows.
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06-17-2013 , 09:50 PM
Is this crazy bitch Nia going to be on the challenge?
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06-17-2013 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Noze


I'll ask her for some inside details about the season if I run into her anytime soon. Any good questions you guys can think of?
How many people bang each other that never gets shown or hinted at on air?
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06-17-2013 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
Is this crazy bitch Nia going to be on the challenge?
how on earth could they not take her?
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06-17-2013 , 10:08 PM
I only watched Nia's first episode. But I imagine she has GOAT Challenge potential.
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