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i am upset indeed. bc i like and respect u. but you are so misguided and stupid on this issue it makes me mad. esp since ppl like you will be in charge of implementing it.

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03-01-2013 , 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty

If you had access to billions(?) of poker hands with perfect information on every player, and all the stats that were in HUDs, plus even more stats not in the HUDs, plus had teams of PhD level economists on your staff, do you think you could get pretty dang good at identifying player skill level based on the above information? I do.

No question but what you said seems much more frightening to me then simple BB/100 or sklansky bux matching. It leaves the door open to accusations that you're pairing good river bettors specifically with people that call late bets more often just to increase pots and rake. I'm obv not saying that's what they'd do but even allowing that to be the perception seems silly.

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03-01-2013 , 03:39 PM

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Can you elaborate here? The way you worded this seems...scary.

Seems pretty straight forward to use VPIP, PFR and other metrics with all the hands. They could do stuff like what percentage of the time does a player bet/call/fold on the river with the best or a losing hand on the river. It wouldn't be perfect, nor would it need to be.

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03-01-2013 , 03:39 PM

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Is usury even illegal if done between two consenting private parties?

Pretty sure it is in most cases.

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03-01-2013 , 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

victor, basically your saying that this is a game with a rake so high that not a single player can beat it. thats just silly.

no, the best of the best can beat it. if im a 2bb winner, i get bumped to the next group. so, i guess i get a few 10s of ks of hands there. now im a 1bb winner for another few 10ks. now .5 for a few moar. now im situated perfectly at 0bb with the rest of similar players.

ofc, another problem is the .5bb/100 is not profitable due to the absurd variance.

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03-01-2013 , 03:40 PM

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Noze

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Time to sack up and 24 table SNGs gents

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03-01-2013 , 03:41 PM

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Local ads for tax refund advances have been airing almost nonstop in my area. Never bothered to look up their take but it has to be a hugely depressing amount.

A part time employee in my business had to leave to go give his mother some cash so "she could pay off her payday loan and then take out another". Very sad stuff.

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03-01-2013 , 03:41 PM

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In 1980, Congress passed the Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act. Among the Act's provisions, it exempted federally chartered savings banks, installment plan sellers and chartered loan companies from state usury limits. Combined with the Marquette decision that applied to National Banks, this effectively overrode all state and local usury laws

tho

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03-01-2013 , 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Noze

Time to sack up and 24 table SNGs gents

180-mans

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03-01-2013 , 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard Tanner

No question but what you said seems much more frightening to me then simple BB/100 or sklansky bux matching. It leaves the door open to accusations that you're pairing good river bettors specifically with people that call late bets more often just to increase pots and rake.I'm obv not saying that's what they'd do but even allowing that to be the perception seems silly.

ofc that is wat they would do. anything to arrive at 0bb/100 with minimal variance is fair game it seems. and ppl are actually praising this.

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03-01-2013 , 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

no, the best of the best can beat it. if im a 2bb winner, i get bumped to the next group. so, i guess i get a few 10s of ks of hands there. now im a 1bb winner for another few 10ks. now .5 for a few moar. now im situated perfectly at 0bb with the rest of similar players.

ofc, another problem is the .5bb/100 is not profitable due to the absurd variance.

I'd be shocked if the player pools are the same for nl100 and nl5000. thus, you can change you $/hr by choosing to play at different levels.

this is jsut wrong. if youre a .5bb/100 winner you are a winner. variance might make it so your RoR is too high for your risk tolerance and you choose not to play, but thats your choice.

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03-01-2013 , 03:44 PM

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03-01-2013 , 03:45 PM

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this discussion is uninteresting

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03-01-2013 , 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

ofc that is wat they would do. anything to arrive at 0bb/100 with minimal variance is fair game it seems. and ppl are actually praising this.

at the levels where people are making a living pots are at the max rake before the river so it doesnt seem like this should be a worry for 2p2ers.

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03-01-2013 , 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dkgojackets

this discussion is uninteresting

I can't read your username.

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03-01-2013 , 03:46 PM

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I'd be shocked if the player pools are the same for nl100 and nl5000. thus, you can change you $/hr by choosing to play at different levels.

you cant change your $/hr bc the site is aiming to make it 0/hr. how are you missing that?

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03-01-2013 , 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

at the levels where people are making a living pots are at the max rake before the river so it doesnt seem like this should be a worry for 2p2ers.

ok no one is making a living except for durr and that group of the best.

the rest are getting profiled for 0bb/hr. i didnt read it as max rake per pot, but max rake total. in other words, they are profiling you to play with opponents that complement each others strengths and weaknesses to arrive at 0bb/hr for all.

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03-01-2013 , 03:50 PM

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Vic,

There isn't enough liquidity to create so many skill groups that it would be all equal. I'd assume it would be maybe 3-4 different groups, tops, with some form of adjustment for stakes. But that would be sufficient to keep the top 25% away from the bottom 25%, and that alone is a huge improvement from the business's perspective.

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03-01-2013 , 03:51 PM

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Probably just trying to give incentives to play tourneys so they can advertise huge weekly guarantees

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03-01-2013 , 03:51 PM

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Nah, it won't be that sophisticated. That would be nearly impossible (and not worth the effort/money to get there)

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03-01-2013 , 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty

Nah, it won't be that sophisticated. That would be nearly impossible (and not worth the effort/money to get there)

it would also be ideal. so i dont see how you can guarantee it wont trend that way. in fact, i am sure it will trend that way.

like, if the sites were capable, ofc they would implement such a system. moar profit baby.

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03-01-2013 , 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

you cant change your $/hr bc the site is aiming to make it 0/hr. how are you missing that?

no, site is aiming for max rake. they dont care what your hourly is.

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Originally Posted by Victor

yea, they want max total rake but river bets at 3/6 dont exactly matter since virtually every hand that reaches the river already has $3 raked.

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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty

yea. If they break every buyin into quartiles of skill then each quartile can produce winners as it is basically a miniture version of the whole player pool.

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03-01-2013 , 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

you dont have to turn them into winners to get them to spend more $. you just have to make them more convinced that they could be winners.

also, it will probably turn the low stakes players who are casual students of the game (like a weekend reg who plays 10 hours a week, but holds a day job and deposits $500/week to play nl100) into breakeven players or winners while those players are in the losing player pool as things stand. from my memory of the weekend games (of which I didnt play regularly ever) there are a lot of semi-regs that dont play at other times and werent winners but werent awful either.

Yeah I get that the idea is to keep losing players on the site longer. The skill matching lets donks play other donks rather than get feasted on by regs.

Not sure why you shifted to that discussion from what we were talking about initially, which was whether there will be fewer winners as a result of skill matching.

You don't seem to get that if the skill matching software works optimally that there will be NO long-term +EV players. Of course there will be "winners" due to variance.

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03-01-2013 , 04:02 PM

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Another side issue for the playerbase is that if a player in the "Welcome Room" or whatever they called the easy one after playing 10k hands then they are not gonna be able to think they're good.

Not that this is something PP should care about, but poker being the perfect mix of tricking people into thinking they are good players could definitely be lost.

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