Man quite the assortment of logical leaps here. Difference here is the guns are made to kill people.

lol @ silly overreaction. Amazing.

Do you think a vast majority of crazy people live in the US? Why is this happening more here than the rest of the world combined?

We should prolly all take this to the politics forum, ill meet you guys there!

ending the war on drugs would have about a billion times more effect on reducing violence than banning guns.

/my politardation itt

where can you buy a machine gun?

excuse me, semi automatic or automatic weapons. what is the purpose?

why can switzerland issue a gun to every man and have almost no shootings? there are tons of factors

C'mon, you know you want to say it.

did you guys know that the US doesnt condone handing automatic weapons to children and telling them to shoot people? I think that even if we did this we would see a static murder rate because it is the crazy people that kill others, not the culture that they live in allowing guns and thus increasing the murder rate. The African countries that have had child mass murderers have had a disproportionately high rate of crazy people. They definitely didnt have a culture that made it easier for them to kill.

lol'd

most of the random mass killings are white people afaik

To kill large numbers of people, which is why no one without a really expensive federal permit can buy them (legally, obviously you can get them illegally still).

Cars and guns can both be used to kill people, and both have positive uses as well.

Nice, that's nice

No they're not. I have several and their purposes are to either 1) Kill a deer or 2) Never have to be fired

What else do you call it? I think this dude killing 26 people is horrible. I think arming every teacher or kid is dumb. There is a middle ground here but people just want to talk in extremes.

Yes. Why can Canada own huge numbers of guns yet have a greatly reduced crime rate? Simplest answer is that their culture is such that gun violence isn't a large part of it.

We have a ton of ****ed up people in this country. They shoot up movie theaters and malls. Maybe theyr'e encouraged by the 24 hour news cycle and the need to be famous, maybe having so much (as a country) makes them think the bad things in their life are worth killing themselves/others for. Maybe they're just bat****.

Not on a bet.

Nope there's one factor: The USA has a lot of guns, and a lot of murders. Guns therefore cause murders QED

Nevermind that some countries have a lot of guns and few murders, those are just murders waiting to happen.

its the culture problem that exists not the laws. however, laws can drastically shape culture over the span of a couple generations.

this is purely hypothetical, but here is an example. If I had a friend who started posting emo facebook statuses and seemed deeply disturbed I would be concerned. If I spoke with him and he was still troubled yet wouldnt seek professional help what else can I do? If I call the police and say I think he is a threat will they really take it seriously? do they have the resources to take all such accounts seriously? could they even do anything legally if he hasnt committed a crime?

Although there has been a lot of effort/discussion today to talk about the mental health of the suspect and others who commit similar crimes it's pretty dangerous to assume that only crazy people commit heinous crimes.

RT, can't you see the positive uses of a motor vehicle might just outweigh those of a gun by, I don't know, a million times?

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/s...te-20-times-h/


lol America lol cars

I agree with Tanner on cars though. We should roll out self driving cars and ban the current type. would be less dangerous for everyone and we wouldnt have to deal with road rage or intentional vehicular homicide.

Silly overreaction itt

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Really depends on how helpful you think guns are in the US at deterring crime. I have no idea as each culture is different.

Regardless, where do you draw the line? We had 32,367 traffic deaths in the US last year, and that number is up this year. Is that a reasonable number?? We had 12,632 violent gun deaths in 2007 (quickest stat I could find). Is that a reasonable number?

Things have good and bad sides, I'm not going to blame GM if a guy goes nuts and runs over people and I'm not going to blame Glock because someone gets a gun and shoots people.

The people that commit crimes are to blame. I'm much more interested in what's going on in their heads/our culture and if we can correct it than what tool they use to kill people.

Ikes,

How this debate seems to you is how every debate you ever have seems to the rest of us

fyi

while i'm very anti-gun nut, my problem with any reactionary gun control measures is that federal legislative response is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo anti-citizen that i shudder to think the bull**** that could arise from it

gaol*

denny's

Oh yeah, that reminds me, this article really pisses me off. Why does the NCAA not have a concussion policy?



This allows the Brian Kelly's of the world to put players with 'facial contusions' and 'memory loss' back on the field.

Haven't watched a second of new coverage about this but following on twitter at work has me shook. I don't have kids but could only imagine the moments the parents had after where you don't know if you child is alive or dead. I think the only thing that I felt like this about was 9/11 (was 14 at the time), the kid aspect is just the ****ing worst