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Old 12-14-2012, 09:32 PM   #43426
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And if crazy people take to running over pedestrians in cars, do we ban cars?

If they make homemade napalm and throw it at school buses, do we ban gasoline?

Sometimes people just do crazy ****. Yeah, sometimes they'll use guns, and those can be heavily damaging but millions of people own and use guns responsibly.

It's a silly overreaction to assume the only way people can do damage is with guns and/or that guns can't also provide a positive (both as a hobby like target shooting or hunting, and as protection and a deterrent).

The mental make-up of a person that would shoot up a school (or stab his wife, or hijack a plane and fly it into a building) is what we should be worried about, not the tools they use to express said bat-**** craziness.
Man quite the assortment of logical leaps here. Difference here is the guns are made to kill people.

lol @ silly overreaction. Amazing.

Do you think a vast majority of crazy people live in the US? Why is this happening more here than the rest of the world combined?

We should prolly all take this to the politics forum, ill meet you guys there!
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:32 PM   #43427
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because the united states doesn't already have a huge problem with the population in jail.

(population could be reduced significantly if the war on drugs was ended)
ending the war on drugs would have about a billion times more effect on reducing violence than banning guns.

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Old 12-14-2012, 09:32 PM   #43428
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where can you buy a machine gun?
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:34 PM   #43429
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excuse me, semi automatic or automatic weapons. what is the purpose?
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:35 PM   #43430
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Man quite the assortment of logical leaps here. Difference here is the guns are made to kill people.

lol @ silly overreaction. Amazing.

Do you think a vast majority of crazy people live in the US? Why is this happening more here than the rest of the world combined?

We should prolly all take this to the politics forum, ill meet you guys there!
why can switzerland issue a gun to every man and have almost no shootings? there are tons of factors
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:36 PM   #43431
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why can switzerland issue a gun to every man and have almost no shootings? there are tons of factors
C'mon, you know you want to say it.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:37 PM   #43432
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did you guys know that the US doesnt condone handing automatic weapons to children and telling them to shoot people? I think that even if we did this we would see a static murder rate because it is the crazy people that kill others, not the culture that they live in allowing guns and thus increasing the murder rate. The African countries that have had child mass murderers have had a disproportionately high rate of crazy people. They definitely didnt have a culture that made it easier for them to kill.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:37 PM   #43433
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C'mon, you know you want to say it.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:37 PM   #43434
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most of the random mass killings are white people afaik
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:38 PM   #43435
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:38 PM   #43436
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What is the purpose of a machine gun?
To kill large numbers of people, which is why no one without a really expensive federal permit can buy them (legally, obviously you can get them illegally still).

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Right, guns are also a form of transportation, that's why you compared them to cars
Cars and guns can both be used to kill people, and both have positive uses as well.

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Man quite the assortment of logical leaps here. Difference here is the guns are made to kill people.
No they're not. I have several and their purposes are to either 1) Kill a deer or 2) Never have to be fired

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lol @ silly overreaction. Amazing.
What else do you call it? I think this dude killing 26 people is horrible. I think arming every teacher or kid is dumb. There is a middle ground here but people just want to talk in extremes.

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Do you think a vast majority of crazy people live in the US? Why is this happening more here than the rest of the world combined?
Yes. Why can Canada own huge numbers of guns yet have a greatly reduced crime rate? Simplest answer is that their culture is such that gun violence isn't a large part of it.

We have a ton of ****ed up people in this country. They shoot up movie theaters and malls. Maybe theyr'e encouraged by the 24 hour news cycle and the need to be famous, maybe having so much (as a country) makes them think the bad things in their life are worth killing themselves/others for. Maybe they're just bat****.

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Not on a bet.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:39 PM   #43437
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why can switzerland issue a gun to every man and have almost no shootings? there are tons of factors
Nope there's one factor: The USA has a lot of guns, and a lot of murders. Guns therefore cause murders QED

Nevermind that some countries have a lot of guns and few murders, those are just murders waiting to happen.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:40 PM   #43438
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why can switzerland issue a gun to every man and have almost no shootings? there are tons of factors
its the culture problem that exists not the laws. however, laws can drastically shape culture over the span of a couple generations.

this is purely hypothetical, but here is an example. If I had a friend who started posting emo facebook statuses and seemed deeply disturbed I would be concerned. If I spoke with him and he was still troubled yet wouldnt seek professional help what else can I do? If I call the police and say I think he is a threat will they really take it seriously? do they have the resources to take all such accounts seriously? could they even do anything legally if he hasnt committed a crime?
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:40 PM   #43439
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Although there has been a lot of effort/discussion today to talk about the mental health of the suspect and others who commit similar crimes it's pretty dangerous to assume that only crazy people commit heinous crimes.

RT, can't you see the positive uses of a motor vehicle might just outweigh those of a gun by, I don't know, a million times?
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:42 PM   #43440
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Vital statistics from the U.S. were compared to those from 22 other high-income countries with populations over 1 million people that reported causes of mortality to WHO for 2003. Researchers relied on The World Bank&rsquo;s definition of a high income nation, which included countries that had a gross national income per capita of $12,276 or more for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2011.

In addition to the U.S., the study included Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom (England and Wales), United Kingdom (Northern Ireland) and United Kingdom (Scotland).

Researchers determined that the rate of homicides with guns in the U.S. was 4.1 per 100,000 people; the same rate combining the 22 other countries was 0.2 per 100,000 in 2003. The rate of homicides using guns in the U.S. was 19.5 times the rate of the other countries. Moran, rounding up, correctly repeated that factoid.

We decided to see if there were more recent numbers than 2003. U.N. and national statistics for those same countries showed the gap closed. The most recent data, mostly from 2009, shows a gun homicide rate of 3.0 per 100,000 people in the U.S. and 0.2 in the 22 other countries used in the firearm fatality study. The U.S., with its decrease, had a rate around 15 times those of other countries.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:44 PM   #43441
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Re: SE FAQ, Liveblog and Holiday Discussion

I agree with Tanner on cars though. We should roll out self driving cars and ban the current type. would be less dangerous for everyone and we wouldnt have to deal with road rage or intentional vehicular homicide.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:45 PM   #43442
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Silly overreaction itt
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:46 PM   #43443
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IN HUGE NEWS

THEY'RE MAKING A TV SHOW WITH COREY AND TOPENGA AS DA PARENTS!

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Old 12-14-2012, 09:47 PM   #43444
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RT, can't you see the positive uses of a motor vehicle might just outweigh those of a gun by, I don't know, a million times?
Really depends on how helpful you think guns are in the US at deterring crime. I have no idea as each culture is different.

Regardless, where do you draw the line? We had 32,367 traffic deaths in the US last year, and that number is up this year. Is that a reasonable number?? We had 12,632 violent gun deaths in 2007 (quickest stat I could find). Is that a reasonable number?

Things have good and bad sides, I'm not going to blame GM if a guy goes nuts and runs over people and I'm not going to blame Glock because someone gets a gun and shoots people.

The people that commit crimes are to blame. I'm much more interested in what's going on in their heads/our culture and if we can correct it than what tool they use to kill people.
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Ikes,

How this debate seems to you is how every debate you ever have seems to the rest of us

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Old 12-14-2012, 09:47 PM   #43446
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while i'm very anti-gun nut, my problem with any reactionary gun control measures is that federal legislative response is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo anti-citizen that i shudder to think the bull**** that could arise from it
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:48 PM   #43447
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in theory the police should be pretty well trained and wearing a vest so they should have a bit of an advantage here tactically.



not sure why we need to hunt or shoot for sport. dont know.

because that ruins your chance of living. imo jaol for life would be preferable to death. you dont see a bunch of people serving life killing themselves instead.

less than price you could put on a kids life.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:49 PM   #43448
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Ikes,

How this debate seems to you is how every debate you ever have seems to the rest of us

fyi
Oh yeah, that reminds me, this article really pisses me off. Why does the NCAA not have a concussion policy?



This allows the Brian Kelly's of the world to put players with 'facial contusions' and 'memory loss' back on the field.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:50 PM   #43450
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Haven't watched a second of new coverage about this but following on twitter at work has me shook. I don't have kids but could only imagine the moments the parents had after where you don't know if you child is alive or dead. I think the only thing that I felt like this about was 9/11 (was 14 at the time), the kid aspect is just the ****ing worst
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