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07-29-2014 , 04:12 AM
Blimey, being a Valencia fan sounds like a barrel of laughs.

Thanks CS
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07-29-2014 , 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut
The theoretical benevolent dictatorship excluded (because it doesn't exist), how is having a single entity owning a football club ever preferable to having the club own itself through its members?
one of the reasons that burnley will receive twice as much TV money as bayern munich this year is that low barriers to entry has led to a very competitive (and therefore compelling) league.

i would also suggest that more has been spent on things like stadium renovations and academy facilities than would have been possible if foriegn fellas with more money than they know what to do with hadn't come over here spunking all their cash on us, and the large number of struggling clubs that have been saved and revitalised by new owners is evidence to me that the gigantic edifice that is english football (832000 professional football clubs on last count, one for each block of flats) is held up in part because most owners are prepared to lose money to support their club.

the downside is that you might get bought by morons (venkys) or nutters (vinny tan). these two situations suck for the supporters. but as someone earlier said, its not like idiocy or mismanagement is somehow eliminated by the german model.

here's another, more personal reason - the man utd GHWs got glazered. you cant know how much pleasure this gives me.
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07-29-2014 , 04:45 AM
Not sure how most owners are willing to lose money to support clubs when in fact most owners shove the debts for running the club onto the club books.

And I think you got the reasons why the foreign fellas like to spend money on training facilities and grounds backwards - because it guarantees them access to sky's billions, without it the foreign fellas would be nowhere to be seen IMO.

List of English clubs in administration over last 20 years....

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Hartlepool United 1994[citation needed] − − None
Barnet 1994[citation needed] − − None
Exeter United 1994[citation needed] − − None
Gillingham 1995[citation needed] − − None
Doncaster Rovers 1997[citation needed] − − None
Millwall 21 January 1997 June 1997 Second Division None
Bournemouth 1997[citation needed] − − None
Crystal Palace 1998[citation needed] July 2000 Second Division None
Chester City October 1998[29] July 1999[30] Third Division None
Portsmouth 1998[citation needed] 1999 Second Division None
Hull City 7 February 2001[31] 12 March 2001[32][nb 3] Third Division None
Queens Park Rangers 2 April 2001[34] 17 November 2002[35] First Division None
Halifax Town 9 April 2002[36] March 2003[37] Third Division
Football Conference None
Bradford City 16 May 2002[38] 1 August 2002[39] First Division None
Notts County June 2002 December 1993 Third Division None
Barnsley 3 October 2002[40] 25 October 2003[41] Second Division None
Leicester City 21 October 2002[42] 16 November 2004[43] First Division None
Port Vale 16 December 2002[44] 2003 Second Division None
York City 18 December 2002[45] 26 March 2003[46] Third Division None
Derby County 20 October 2003[47] 20 October 2003[47] Championship None[nb 4]
Ipswich Town[nb 5] 10 February 2003[51] 30 May 2003[52] First Division None
Wimbledon 5 June 2003[53] 21 June 2004[54] (As MK Dons) First Division None
Darlington 23 December 2003[55] 26 May 2004[56] Third Division None
Bradford City 27 February 2004[57] 10 December 2004[58] First Division
League One None
Wrexham 3 December 2004[14] 3 August 2006[59] League One
League Two −10 pts
Cambridge United 29 April 2005[60] 22 July 2005[61] League Two −10 pts
Rotherham United 13 May 2006[62] ??? League One −10 pts
Crawley Town 5 June 2006[63] 10 August 2007[64] Conference National −6 pts[nb 6]
Boston United 25 April 2007[66] 20 May 2008[67] League Two −10 pts[nb 7]
Leeds United 4 May 2007[69] 11 July 2007[70] Championship
League One −10 pts
−15 pts[nb 8]
Luton Town 22 November 2007[72] 28 July 2008[73] League One
League Two −10 pts
−20 pts[nb 9]
Bournemouth 8 February 2008[75] 18 July 2008[76] League One
League Two −10 pts
−17 pts[nb 10]
Rotherham United 18 March 2008[77] 2008[1] League Two −10 pts
−17 pts[nb 11]
Halifax Town 26 March 2008[78] 13 June 2008[79] Conference National −10 pts
Darlington 25 February 2009[80] 7 August 2009[81] League Two −10 pts
Southampton 2 April 2009[82][83] 8 July 2009[84] Championship
League One N/A
−10 pts[nb 12]
Stockport County 30 April 2009[85] 18 June 2010[86] League One −10 pts
Chester City 17 May 2009[29] 10 March 2010[nb 13]
Dissolved Conference National −25 pts[nb 14]
Northwich Victoria 15 May 2009[92] 16 May 2010[93][nb 15] Conference National −10 pts[nb 16]
Farsley Celtic 30 June 2009[97] 10 March 2010
Dissolved[98] Conference North −10 pts[99]
Salisbury City 3 September 2009[100] 26 February 2010[101][102] Conference National −10 pts[nb 17]
Weymouth 28 October 2009[104] 27 November 2009[105] Conference South None
Crystal Palace 26 January 2010[106] 20 August 2010[107] Championship −10 pts
Portsmouth 26 February 2010[16] 24 October 2010[108] Premier League −9 pts
Plymouth Argyle 4 March 2011[109] 31 October 2011[110] League One −10 pts
Rushden and Diamonds 7 July 2011[111] 8 July 2011
Dissolved[112] Conference National None
Darlington 3 January 2012[113] 21 june Dissolved 2012 Conference National −10 pts
Portsmouth 17 February 2012[114] 19 April 2013[115] Championship −10 pts
Port Vale 9 March 2012[116] 20 November 2012[117] League Two −10 pts
Coventry City 21 March 2013[118] League One −10 pts[118][119]
Aldershot Town 2 May 2013[120] League Two


More financial problems now than there ever was.

Last edited by unwantedguest; 07-29-2014 at 05:02 AM.
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07-29-2014 , 04:56 AM
without the foreign fellas man utd wins 11 of the last 14 PLs and 10 of the last 14 FA cups and the sky billions dont exist to the same extent because english football is too boring for any human being to watch

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i mustve missed all the instances of owners taking over and raping a club of assets which have been carefully built over the course of many years, its always the other way round where a struggling club receives a big injection of much needed cash.

only example of the former which springs to mind is man utd which, heheheh
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07-29-2014 , 05:05 AM
Did Mike Ashley not hive off shirt sales/merchandise from NUFC to sports direct for peanuts?

Gillette and Hicks not **** Liverpool over?
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07-29-2014 , 05:07 AM
on the big list - lower leagues are bloated and cant the teams support themselves. this is known. fortunately, rather than simply disappearing and putting a sad on all those port vale fans' faces, an

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owner


stepped in and gave the club a

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much needed injection of cash


rinse and repeat for most of those examples.
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07-29-2014 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
Did Mike Ashley not hive off shirt sales/merchandise from NUFC to sports direct for peanuts?
yea ashley is a crap owner relatively speaking but then again he did save toon from massive spiralling debts when he stepped in and gave the club a

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much needed injection of cash


and is now taking money out to pay back the (interest free) loans he made to the club.

mike ashley is a ****ty owner because he refuses to lose money like the rest of them.
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07-29-2014 , 05:12 AM
Lol they all do the same one way or another barring an exceptional few.

Giving you £100 today then taking £300 from you tomorrow isn't an injection of cash, it's a hustle.
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07-29-2014 , 05:23 AM
Yeah, my bad. I didn't know that the all the owners of English football clubs were a bunch of selfless saints. My bad thinking they were fat, greedy, rich ****s.
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07-29-2014 , 05:26 AM
much like the rich and fat 19th century industrialists of t'north that paved the way for the existence of professional football, they ARE greedy and rich and all those other terrible terrible things but they also (most of them) are prepared to lose money to support their football team.

no, its probably not because they are selfless saints. its more likely a status symbol. who cares.
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07-29-2014 , 05:26 AM
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Bruce admits defeat in Jenkinson chase


Filed: Tuesday, 29th July 2014
By: Staff Writer



Steve Bruce has admitted that West Ham are favourites to land Arsenal full-back Carl Jenkinson on loan.

At the weekend it looked as if the 22-year-old full back would be on his way to the KC Stadium after the Tigers made a bid worth around £4million.

However Bruce, speaking to Talksport this morning admitted defeat in his attempts to lure the once-capped English international to Humberside, who is set to join West Ham on a season-long loan.

"There's about five or six clubs who would be interested in Carl because he's a very good player," he told Alan Brazil. "But Sam's in the box seat because of being in London, so I'm led to believe.

"He was someone in whom we showed an interest but when a really good, young player comes out of Arsenal or one of the other big clubs then a club like ours is always looking for something like that.

"He's got about five or six [clubs] to choose from, I would have thought. We did show interest but I'm led to believe that the boy wants to stay in London."

Read more at http://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=127...qrK3PdUBHUp.99
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07-29-2014 , 05:27 AM
Oh, and don't get me wrong. There is fat, greedy, rich twattery going on in German football, too. United getting Glazered is not too far off from Stuttgart getting Meyer-Vorfelder'd, or Dortmund getting Niebaum'd. The only difference is that it's possible to give these people the boot, because they don't own the damn club. United are **** outta luck with their owners.
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07-29-2014 , 05:39 AM
They make so much tv money because of the english language, they let TV dictate the kick off times (spain also, but the TV Model in spain sucks anyway) and because tickets are so expansive that everyone has to watch on TV
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07-29-2014 , 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by cashy
abramovich finally having enough sells off the top6 players to replace them with inferior(but still very good) options and to pocket the difference and by a new yacht or two -> absolute dream summer for chelsea football club
Is this a serious post?

The difficulty in Chelsea selling 6 top players and replacing them for half the cost while maintaining the current status quo of ~perennially challenging for all major honours is very obviously implicitly more difficult than for a mid-table PL club to do likewise.

I mean, come one, you're smarter than that terrible analogy.

But yes, if Abramovich sold 6 top players and replaced them at half the cost and Chelsea's ambitions and likelihood of success didn't change in any discernible way, it'd be a great summer for the club, obviously.

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Originally Posted by cashy
so according to you only clubs with the chance to win the title should care about the quality of the team? are you serious?

southampton goes from a lock to not get relegated, a reasonable chance to make a cup run and a reasonable chance to make europe to a reasonable chance to get relegated and basically no chance to make europe/cup and it gets called an absolute dream summer, frigging joke
You're hilariously overstating a lot of things here. First of all, come the start of the season when they've completed their signings, their relegation equity will hardly have shifted.

Neither will their equity of making a cup run, lol, look at some finalists/semi-finalists of both cups in recent years, plenty of bottom-feeder PL sides, Championship sides and even League One sides. Really worth spending an extra £50m to finish 9th rather than 12th and gain like 1% cup equity

You're vastly overrating what is needed in terms of both quality and depth to put ~48 points on the board to finish very comfortably in upper mid-table.

And to make Europe via the league has never been more difficult than it currently is with the shape all of last seasons top 7 are in. Anyway, it's not long ago you were lol'ing at the value of Europa League and labelling it a waste of time for PL clubs etc etc, now it's a crisis that Southampton go from maybe a 12/1 shot to a 15/1 shot to qualify for it via the league?

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Originally Posted by cashy
again

why should the club care that the owner is a few mil quid richer now? all southampton get from the window is a severely weakened team
[ ] dream summer
[ ] good summer
[x] nightmare summer
They will very likely have a weakened team, nobody is arguing that point. The argument is that the drop-off won't really have any discernible impact on their likely prospects.

Chambers --> Clyne (already at club, rotated last season)
Lovren ----> Vlaar
Shaw ----> Bertrand
Schneiderlin -----> Wanyama (already at club, huge player for them, injured last season)
Lallana ----> Tadic (already signed)
Lambert ----> Pelle (already signed)

is nowhere near enough of a drop-off to turn a side from 8th place to battling relegation. £20m has been spent on Tadic and Pelle. Vlaar and Bertrand would maybe cost ~£15m.

They're reportedly looking to upgrade to Forster at GK, very strange for a club that's "asset-stripping" to upgrade a position where their current player is plenty good enough for what they're looking to achieve don't you think?

And again, as you never answered last time, why shouldn't owners benefit financially from THEIR BUSINESS performing well? Do you expect all football owners to be nothing more than philanthropists and run clubs at breakeven or a loss for the good of others at their own expense? Do you have a problem with the owners of Apple pocketing profits achieved from their business doing well? You think they should be plumbing all profits into market research and product development?



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Originally Posted by kevin21
Tbh, none of us are Southampton fans so we can't really know what it feels like right now. Only they can really answer the question on whether it's a good summer or not.


One of the most illogical posts i've ever read. I guess we'd all better not comment on anything to do with clubs other than our own because we aren't fans of club "x" so don't know "how it feels".

Are Liverpool having a good summer? I can't really say if them replacing Suarez with Rickie Lambert/Markovic is good for them or not because i'm not a Liverpool fan.
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07-29-2014 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoopie1
Blimey, being a Valencia fan sounds like a barrel of laughs.
Are you a Valencia fan? If not, you shouldn't really comment as only they know how it feels.
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07-29-2014 , 05:43 AM
Most football owners lose money for the simple reason for it's really fun to own a club so some rich people are willing to pay for it (and the status that follows). The ones that are willing to pay the most for the privilege are the ones the end up in charge.

Ashley/Glazers/Henry/Kroenke/Southampton lady are the exceptions.
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07-29-2014 , 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by daca
Most football owners lose money for the simple reason for it's really fun to own a club so some rich people are willing to pay for it (and the status that follows). The ones that are willing to pay the most for the privilege are the ones the end up in charge.

Ashley/Glazers/Henry/Kroenke/Southampton lady exception are the exemptions.
A lot of restaurant/bar owners lose money too (and some don't care because it's fun for them to own them), doesn't mean we should chastise those who seek to profit from owning a restaurant or bar.
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07-29-2014 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Langerdang
Are you a Valencia fan? If not, you shouldn't really comment as only they know how it feels.
No, I am not. You can probably deduce this from the comment. Or perhaps you simply lack the tools to do so.
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07-29-2014 , 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoopie1
No, I am not. You can probably deduce this from the comment. Or perhaps you simply lack the tools to do so.
I had successfully deduced as much from your comment as my tools are quite sharp. I was subtly trying to dissuade you from upsetting kevin by commenting on subjects he will feel you simply cannot understand as a result of you indeed not being a Valencia fan.
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07-29-2014 , 07:15 AM
So selling off their best players means that Southampton is having a "dream summer"? What exactly would a nightmare summer be?
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07-29-2014 , 07:17 AM
Signing all the best players in the world obviously.
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07-29-2014 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Langerdang
I had successfully deduced as much from your comment as my tools are quite sharp. I was subtly trying to dissuade you from upsetting kevin by commenting on subjects he will feel you simply cannot understand as a result of you indeed not being a Valencia fan.
Indeed, I failed to deduce the meaning. I like tapas though.
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07-29-2014 , 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Liverpool
What exactly would a nightmare summer be?
leeds utd 01/02.

make CL semi final, keep all important players despite heavy interest from other clubs and spend a further 30m to further bolter the team.

seems good right?
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07-29-2014 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Langerdang
Is this a serious post?

The difficulty in Chelsea selling 6 top players and replacing them for half the cost while maintaining the current status quo of ~perennially challenging for all major honours is very obviously implicitly more difficult than for a mid-table PL club to do likewise.

I mean, come one, you're smarter than that terrible analogy.

But yes, if Abramovich sold 6 top players and replaced them at half the cost and Chelsea's ambitions and likelihood of success didn't change in any discernible way, it'd be a great summer for the club, obviously.



You're hilariously overstating a lot of things here. First of all, come the start of the season when they've completed their signings, their relegation equity will hardly have shifted.

Neither will their equity of making a cup run, lol, look at some finalists/semi-finalists of both cups in recent years, plenty of bottom-feeder PL sides, Championship sides and even League One sides. Really worth spending an extra £50m to finish 9th rather than 12th and gain like 1% cup equity

You're vastly overrating what is needed in terms of both quality and depth to put ~48 points on the board to finish very comfortably in upper mid-table.

And to make Europe via the league has never been more difficult than it currently is with the shape all of last seasons top 7 are in. Anyway, it's not long ago you were lol'ing at the value of Europa League and labelling it a waste of time for PL clubs etc etc, now it's a crisis that Southampton go from maybe a 12/1 shot to a 15/1 shot to qualify for it via the league?



They will very likely have a weakened team, nobody is arguing that point. The argument is that the drop-off won't really have any discernible impact on their likely prospects.

Chambers --> Clyne (already at club, rotated last season)
Lovren ----> Vlaar
Shaw ----> Bertrand
Schneiderlin -----> Wanyama (already at club, huge player for them, injured last season)
Lallana ----> Tadic (already signed)
Lambert ----> Pelle (already signed)

is nowhere near enough of a drop-off to turn a side from 8th place to battling relegation. £20m has been spent on Tadic and Pelle. Vlaar and Bertrand would maybe cost ~£15m.

They're reportedly looking to upgrade to Forster at GK, very strange for a club that's "asset-stripping" to upgrade a position where their current player is plenty good enough for what they're looking to achieve don't you think?

And again, as you never answered last time, why shouldn't owners benefit financially from THEIR BUSINESS performing well? Do you expect all football owners to be nothing more than philanthropists and run clubs at breakeven or a loss for the good of others at their own expense? Do you have a problem with the owners of Apple pocketing profits achieved from their business doing well? You think they should be plumbing all profits into market research and product development?







One of the most illogical posts i've ever read. I guess we'd all better not comment on anything to do with clubs other than our own because we aren't fans of club "x" so don't know "how it feels".

Are Liverpool having a good summer? I can't really say if them replacing Suarez with Rickie Lambert/Markovic is good for them or not because i'm not a Liverpool fan.
ok in short:

if abra instead of getting cesc/diego costa/filipe went out to sell hazard/oscar/matic (to make money for a new huge villa) and chelsea's odds to win the title would have dropped from like 6/1 to 9/1(instead of shortening considerably)
= dream summer for chelsea FC

makes sense
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07-29-2014 , 07:44 AM
Langerdang pwning itt
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