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09-02-2009 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JaredL
Based on your location, you probably aren't familiar with the NBA but I have very similar feelings about Karl Malone and John Stockton, though it wasn't as bad late in their careers because it became more recognized that they were dirty.


Blazers!
09-02-2009 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by andre006
+1 on thanks everybody that participate ,i usually lurked more than anything in here and it was the first time i was involved in one of those epic draft thread and it's pretty awesome to say the least

thanks for the props and having me aboard Jared

yay looking forward for the write up

also textbook headbutt if you ask me
This +1
had not really looked around in SE before as assumed it was all American Sports that although i enjoy do not know anywhere near enough to post about, its been great so far...
09-02-2009 , 06:24 PM
With regards to the sim one thing i would like is for every one to come up with 2 formations that you will be using so i can enter them into FM. I will be using the standard tactics that are preset into the game so that no one gets an advantage by creating an uploading their own tactics. So if you can all post or PM tactics here and call them simply Home and Away (does not have to be for home and away games) so that when you want to change formation you can just say, change to home/away for the next game.

I have got almost all the teams sorted now in the DB so i am playing around creating club info so that all teams are created equal.

One thing i think might be an issue is that i am using the CCC as the league for this. In FM all leagues have a set reputation hardcoded in to the game. So i think the EPL is highest followed by La Ligue etc etc. This helps determine where players will transfer to. I.E Ronaldo would not sign for a league below a certain rep. Also all clubs have a rep which is generally based on the league they are in + the success of the team in the league. My worry is that all these world superstars will be pissed off at playing in the EPL. I am considering changing the players loyalty stats so this wont happen. If i cant find a better solution is everyone cool with this. All it means is that everyone is super happy with the team that they play for and wont get all pissy and demand transfers.

Last edited by magicratx; 09-02-2009 at 06:26 PM. Reason: No need to select players neccesarily for these formations just the formation
09-02-2009 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by magicratx
This +1
had not really looked around in SE before as assumed it was all American Sports that although i enjoy do not know anywhere near enough to post about, its been great so far...
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09-02-2009 , 06:27 PM
I enjoyed this too, would draft agian
09-02-2009 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by magicratx
With regards to the sim one thing i would like is for every one to come up with 2 formations that you will be using so i can enter them into FM. I will be using the standard tactics that are preset into the game so that no one gets an advantage by creating an uploading their own tactics. So if you can all post or PM tactics here and call them simply Home and Away (does not have to be for home and away games) so that when you want to change formation you can just say, change to home/away for the next game.

I have got almost all the teams sorted now in the DB so i am playing around creating club info so that all teams are created equal.

One thing i think might be an issue is that i am using the CCC as the league for this. In FM all leagues have a set reputation hardcoded in to the game. So i think the EPL is highest followed by La Ligue etc etc. This helps determine where players will transfer to. I.E Ronaldo would not sign for a league below a certain rep. Also all clubs have a rep which is generally based on the league they are in + the success of the team in the league. My worry is that all these world superstars will be pissed off at playing in the EPL. I am considering changing the players loyalty stats so this wont happen. If i cant find a better solution is everyone cool with this. All it means is that everyone is super happy with the team that they play for and wont get all pissy and demand transfers.
I'll post my 2nd formation soon, I have no probs with you adjusting the loyalty stats and thanks again for setting up the sim
09-02-2009 , 06:55 PM
Have just checked and there are 24 preset formations in Fm. If you have the game let me know which ones you want, if its not one of the preset ones i will adjust it.

Changed my mind, can everyone PM me as well as posting here
09-02-2009 , 10:01 PM
ok here we go for team mcsergz:

----fabiano-----
-------aguero---
troich--------rico q.
---de rossi-motta--
lahm-naldo-lescott-richards
-------howard--------

subs:
ramires
bojinov
di natale
gouvu
essou-ekotto
garay
asenjo
rosicky
merieles
onyewu

We plan on playing a 4-4-1-1, in any empty box formation. At times it make look like a 4-1-1-2-1-1 because of the fact the de rossi will play a predominant role in controlling the ball in the center of the field, and hooking up with aguero. Aguero, Troichowski, and Quaresma will be able to float around the attacking midfield, helping to keep the defense moving and more importantly the ball. Fabiano was one of our first choices as a target man because of the style we wanted to play, and I think that we drafted the right players to fit his skill set. My vision for this team is a team that will play "pretty" football, with a lot of short passes linking the ams to the sts.

bench: Our first players off of the bench will most likely be ramires and di natale. ramires will be able to come in for either dcm, and maybe at fb in times of crisis. Di Natale can play any of the 5 front positions, but he will mainly come in at LAM and CF. Rosicky and Gouvu will also give us interesting options for our third sub as well.

Overall, I think our team will be very underrated because many teams will look at the defense and not see anything that special. I think naldo and lescott will work very well together, naldo against pure st and lescott to play with quicker players.

other possible formations

----------Fabiano-------
Quaresma---------Aguero
-----Di Natale/De Rossi---
-------Motta-De Rossi/Ramires
Lahm--Lescott-Naldo-Richards
------------Howard

-----Fabiano-Di Natale-----
---------Aguero---------
---Troichowski-Ramires-
---------De Rossi------
Lahm-Naldo-Lescott-Richards
---- ---Howard--------
09-02-2009 , 10:16 PM
Mcfly, I think whatever formation you play you need to find a way to take advantage of Lahm attacking from the back AND have De Rossi in a truer central role, not as a defensive guy, but more as the link between defense and attack. Your first and second formations look best. Sadly, you have some players I am not familiar enough with to really comment on other than that.
09-02-2009 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Disturbance
I thought he was injured? I rate him higher than Eboue personally, more pace and more skill.
Well you rate him higher than Lennon as well, so let's take a grain of salt with that .

I'll work on a write up for tomorrow.

I would like to do a Career/Dynasty draft (going forward, not all time), but I think we should wait till may or june.
09-02-2009 , 10:24 PM
72off and I are going to be starting on our team writeup.

Oohhh, I'd be in for career dynasty all-time. Pele #1 or Figo #2 baby.
09-02-2009 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
Mcfly, I think whatever formation you play you need to find a way to take advantage of Lahm attacking from the back AND have De Rossi in a truer central role, not as a defensive guy, but more as the link between defense and attack. Your first and second formations look best. Sadly, you have some players I am not familiar enough with to really comment on other than that.
lahm and richards will definitely be moving forward into our attack, because of troichowski and quaresma's abiliities to attack the center of the field. Most attacks will be focused down the left wing, with lahm overlapping troichowski (with motta filling in with his defensive abilities on that side). Richards will look to get forward as well, but less so than lahm because quaresma isnt one to track back on defense.
09-02-2009 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
I would like to do a Career/Dynasty draft (going forward, not all time), but I think we should wait till may or june.
Jesus this would be super tough for me. I'd need a co-owner

Also, i have wondered how this work, do people consider era's?
09-02-2009 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Wrane
72off and I are going to be starting on our team writeup.

Oohhh, I'd be in for career dynasty all-time. Pele #1 or Figo #2 baby.
ROFLCOPTERS!!!!!!!!!!
09-02-2009 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
ROFLCOPTERS!!!!!!!!!!
You hating on my idol?
09-02-2009 , 10:29 PM
09-02-2009 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
Jesus this would be super tough for me. I'd need a co-owner

Also, i have wondered how this work, do people consider era's?
Well you can either do it "all time", or you can do it "build a squad for ten years from right now." All-time would probably be more fun, or from like 1970 or 75, I'd be a complete fish though.
09-02-2009 , 10:33 PM
No one would seriously consider Figo number two all time since the debate has always raged between pele and maradona as #1 all time.

F60, yeah I see. For something like that to work properly we would need a lot of guys with a lot of knowledge. I fear that Bjorn would absolutely destroy everyone.
09-02-2009 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
No one would seriously consider Figo number two all time since the debate has always raged between pele and maradona as #1 all time.
Nit ITT.
09-02-2009 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
Well you can either do it "all time", or you can do it "build a squad for ten years from right now." All-time would probably be more fun, or from like 1970 or 75, I'd be a complete fish though.
I'd probably be a fish too but I'd definitely be in for an all-time draft as well. I agree with F60 (I think it was him that said it) that we should wait at least a few months since we just did this one. Maybe like after the EPL season ends but before the WC or something? Should be fun.

Also, lol at Figo #2. Have you morons ever heard of Freddy Adu?
09-02-2009 , 11:32 PM
we won't do another draft for quite some time since magicratx has a sick sim to run for us. The results of which should provide some serious LOL content for a few months.
09-03-2009 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
I am hoping that both Ben Arfa and Hleb can take some pressure of Forlan. Montolivo is also capable of making some runs w/o the ball, and Carrick is also capable of being more than just a facilitator. I think there is enough there to help out a scenario in which teams just focus on Forlan.

Hleb is the real key IMO. Carrick should also do a decent job in finding ways for the ball to get to Forlan too

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Originally Posted by andre006
+1 on thanks everybody that participate ,i usually lurked more than anything in here and it was the first time i was involved in one of those epic draft thread and it's pretty awesome to say the least

thanks for the props and having me aboard Jared

yay looking forward for the write up

also textbook headbutt if you ask me
No, thank you. Its great that this thread happened IMO as it brought out more posters, and those posters have gotten involved in the other threads, which has made this thread an entire success


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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
Well you can either do it "all time", or you can do it "build a squad for ten years from right now." All-time would probably be more fun, or from like 1970 or 75, I'd be a complete fish though.

an all-time would be ridic tough, interesting, but insanely tough. The benefit of post 70 is that you'd be able to include the 70 brazil, italy, and english sides at their peaks

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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
No one would seriously consider Figo number two all time since the debate has always raged between pele and maradona as #1 all time.

F60, yeah I see. For something like that to work properly we would need a lot of guys with a lot of knowledge. I fear that Bjorn would absolutely destroy everyone.

funny thing is, maradona has said that di stefano was the greatest of all time, just wanted to open up a wider debate
09-03-2009 , 02:22 AM
Write Up:

Team: Somerset Rovers AFC

Colors: Blue and White Hoops(home), Red and Black Quarters(away), White(third)



Roster:

---------Edwin Vander Saar------------

John Heitinga--Carlos Puyol---Raul Albiol---Ashley Cole

-----------Didier Zokora--------------------------
-----------------------Jean Makoun---------------
-------------------------------------Jaroslav Plasil

----------------Wesley Sneijder-----------------

----Fabio Quagliarella-------
---------------------------Ruud Van Nistelrooy

Subs:
Robert Green
Matt Upson
Joseph Yobo
Stilliyan Petrov
Remy De Zeeuw
Michael Bradley
Rodrigo Taddei
Fernando Cavenaghi
Tim Cahill
Guillaume Hoarau


I haven't figured out some other formations yet. De Zeeuw and Cavenaghi should start in some formations


GoalKeeper:

What can I say about VDS, his clean sheet record this past season speaks of itself at his age, and the fact that he is Holland's all time Caps leader with 130 is a testament to how he's been at a top level for a very long time. Though he has an injury right now, I have zero doubt that he won't come back at the same quality form that he's been at for the past five years. Obviously my no1 keeper and plays right into how I want as much of a fortress of a defense as possible.

Robert Green is a more then capable backup as his reflexes are good and he's just starting to hit his prime. With VDS injured right now, I wanted someone who is more then respectable and will be a quality fill in


Defense: Here I went to get top quality defenders and am also in a sense treating Zokora like a 5th defender in a way. I basically aimed here to make this my focus as I felt like creating something like the famous back four of Arsenal, the great ManU defenses of the recent years. I want my defenders to be able to do well on the ball as they move forward and be able to bring something into the attack on occasion. I aimed for balance in the defense as Albiol can move to several different positions, as can Puyol. Obviously I want them as my Center Back spine, but sometimes Upson or Yobo can come incase of injury and still be able to provide me with no nonense Defending.

Both Cole and Heitinga provide quality defense, and can go forward and provide good passing from the back in the attack. I'm very solid on the left with Cole as he is one of the Premier LBs in the world(arse fans may disagree out of spite). Heitinga is just coming into his own, and while he may never be a great right back, he will do just fine with how my team is set up. He can also sub in DM, or be placed in a DM position pairing with Zokora or De Zeeuw(Albiol or Puyol would go out to the right)


Midfield: Much to talk about here, where to begin

With the subs, De Zeeuw will probably end up seeing the most amount of playing time as I may be tempted to make some changes between him and Zokora, or formations. Taddei may also get a good bit of PT for the times I want to switch to a more traditional 442(which I do have the team for) or a 451. De Zeeuw is there for his defense and engine qualities. What I like about Taddei is his pace on the right and it would allow some different formations from me

Bradley is there as a deep lying midfielder. He's mostly for his tackling, ball winning, and passing. He wouldn't be a DM in a sense, but just be more deep then a normal CM. Petrov Would be more in the Traditional CM type player. He has quality passing and defending and fits in well in many different formations.

Tim Cahill is the more forward Mid. At points he may even play a withdrawn striker role, and can play as a RACM in a few formations I have in my mind, as he can be very useful in a 451, which will probably be played by me at times in the season

Now is time for the starters:

Didier Zokora: his main role is to clean up the trash before it gets to the center backs. Obviously he's made a few gaffs when attempting to score goals, but he isn't gonna even be close to asked to do that. He has good passing and is a straight up Defensive Midfielder. He'd play anywhere in between the area that is slightly forward of Heitinga/Puyol and Albiol/Cole. He'll go forward with the play of the game, but there will be times that I would rather have puyol and albiol move into attacking movements, so he would drop back into a CB position during those moments

Jean Makoun: He is a box to box beast that is starting to emerge. He helped make OL look utterly sick in their CL qualifying matches. No, he didn't get the accolades that Bastos got, but he was an ever present in both of those matches, and I have no doubt that he'll do much of the same for my team. He's there to provide support to....

Wesley Sneijder: the focal point of my attack. The ball will be at his feet in the attack for me as much as possible. He makes things happen, and should really shine for Inter this year(though c'mon Fergie, we need someone like him). He's got great vision and should really make RVN look good by allowing RVN to get into dangerous positions. He will be a more forward midfielder, but isn't going to be a Lampard or Gerrard-type where they can possibly score 15-20 goals a season from midfield. He's here to attack and create

Jaroslav Plasil: He should be able to play a real nice foil as an attacking option up the left. Excellent pace and passing, he is the type of player I want in transition running up the left to get the ball into Sneijder when needed, but mostly to open up the left side for RVN.

Strikers:

Fernando Cavenaghi: in the times I play a more traditional 442, he's the perfect pairing for RVN. They would play like a traditional striker duo, and I can honestly see a lot of promise in this partnership in general, and if I don't like how Quagrialla and RVN are pairing, I'd be very willing to have Cavenaghi start. I've always been a fan of his since seeing him at River, and he's starting to show the player that we were seeing at river(though nowhere near as profillic)

Guillaume Hoarau: He is a nice young striker that has shown prolific skills that may come in well in a pinch. He will also probably get a decent amount of PT as injuries happen and with having RVN be an older player, he can provide both instant attacking presence off the bench, and has the ability to take RVNs role in the case of injury

Fabio Quagliarella: He is playing more on the right side as a pseudo-attacking mid/deep striker. He can score great goals and provides some relative support on the right in the main formation. Again, his main goal is to get the ball to RVN and try to open the defense up with his ball skills and his danger of scoring from 25 and in. His passing will work great too in creating some interesting link up play between him/sneijder/RVN

Ruud Van Nistelrooy: while is injured now, last year he had put in 10 goals in twelve matches before doing his knee. He has had this injury before at a younger age, so that is a worry, but his playing style isn't one that would be ruined due to this many injuries. He relies on his positioning, weight, height, and his utterly sick goal scoring prowess in the modern game. He has started practicing for Madrid again, and should be fully back soon. Once back at full fitness, it would be hard to imagine him not banging in goals and getting his starting spot back. Yes he will have to compete with Ronny for goals, but Ruud doesn't need the ball neccessarily, he just needs to be in the right area at the right time, which he seems to find himself in quite well a frequent amount of the time


overall: What I want here is a team that is extremely solid in defense and can counter attack at a moments notice. I feel that my team is extremely solid in the spine and has the ability to attack well in transition, but also have the players to play a more on the ball based game too. I can play a variety of formations, so I do like that flexibility at teh same time. While my team may be unglamorous, They should work great together and be consistent in getting quality results in the league

Last edited by KDawg; 09-03-2009 at 02:28 AM.
09-03-2009 , 02:28 AM
nothing really to say other than great write up Kdawg.
09-03-2009 , 02:45 AM
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Edwin Vander Saar
lol come on, even United fans can't spell his name.

      
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