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08-17-2011 , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by valenzuela
River Plate playing their first second division game in their history, 1-0 up already at 7 mins against Chacarita Juniors.
That double league thing to make sure river plate "stayed up" didn't go through then?
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08-17-2011 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy
There is little evidence for this being the case imo. The gap between Barca and RM is much larger than between RM and Chelsea/Utd either way.
The evidence is obviously limited because they havent played each other. What we have is Real crushing every team they play not named Barcelona and looking extremely good doing so, Real being more talented and betting markets showing them a good bit ahead of United and Chelsea to win the CL.

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I also disagree they are quite a bit better than the galacticos. What makes you think that? Surely not the points total?
I think they're about as talented and much more cohesive and balanced. The Galactiocos, for all their class, were vulnerable. Mourinho is a better coach than del Bosque and this team is a better organized and better functioning unit.

The points total do matter some because they only thing we can use to judge is how they do against the teams they play, even if would should discount it some for the league being weaker now.

Last edited by daca; 08-17-2011 at 09:25 AM. Reason: I think the Galaticos, even at their best, would get beat by Mourinho's Chelsea team.
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08-17-2011 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Ambush
That double league thing to make sure river plate "stayed up" didn't go through then?
no, there was going to be a massive protest against it and the day before the AFA decided to quit the plan.
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08-17-2011 , 04:35 PM
Theory question/poll:
When the ball is played back to the keeper and an attacker charges down, do you think it is +/- EV for the attacker to always assume that the keeper will fake a kick and take a dribble to the side instead (by also faking trying to block the kick and instead trying to catch him off guard when he dribbles)?
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08-17-2011 , 04:50 PM
My immediate thought was +EV. Even if the keeper faking a kick and dribbling will only happen a small % of the time, the times it does happen and the attacker expects it are highly profitable situations for the attacker. Conversely when the goalkeeper actually kicks it the attacker will block it only a small % of the time, and even when they do block it they will only some of the time find themselves in a highly profitable situation.
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08-17-2011 , 05:09 PM
You would also have to know your goalkeeper. Is he known to be comfortable with the ball at his feet? If he is awkward (PIG) he is more than likely going to try and put his foot through it no matter what.
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08-17-2011 , 05:40 PM
Anyone else notice that everytime Ronaldo is tackled, he puts his arm up and looks straight at the ref... Sitting there stropping
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08-17-2011 , 05:46 PM
Gorgeous goal
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08-17-2011 , 05:55 PM
You might be in the wrong thread bro.
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08-17-2011 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by kitaristi0
My immediate thought was +EV. Even if the keeper faking a kick and dribbling will only happen a small % of the time, the times it does happen and the attacker expects it are highly profitable situations for the attacker. Conversely when the goalkeeper actually kicks it the attacker will block it only a small % of the time, and even when they do block it they will only some of the time find themselves in a highly profitable situation.
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Originally Posted by kevin21
You would also have to know your goalkeeper. Is he known to be comfortable with the ball at his feet? If he is awkward (PIG) he is more than likely going to try and put his foot through it no matter what.
I also feel that it has vastly more value to anticipate a dribble than to stop a kick; for the exact reasons kitarisi0 stated (plus the possibility of the keeper screwing up the dribble). Which is why I find it odd that so few attackers do this...
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08-17-2011 , 11:03 PM
I saw some brief chatter in the other thread league about a potential player striker in Spain, but nothing beyond "will they play this weekend?"

This article was kind of eye opening.

http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/new...s-strike-looms

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"It's a shame since we agree on 80 percent of the issues but because of 20 percent we find ourselves in this situation," Astiazaran said. "We've achieved a lot lately ... but it will be impossible to avoid a strike."
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Players want better guarantees with clubs still owing up to $72 million in unpaid salaries to more than 200 players.

"The league does not want to bridge the gap," AFE representative Luis Gil said. "In this moment, the AFE has no intentions of extending the strike beyond the second round of games. But clubs who do not pay should be relegated."

There are six clubs in bankruptcy protection in Spain's top division, including all three recently promoted clubs. Legislation expected to pass in September would immediately relegate clubs to the third division if they become insolvent.
We've discussed the health of La Liga before, but I guess I didn't realize the financial situation had gotten this bad. All three promoted teams are in bankruptcy protection?
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08-18-2011 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
There's no correct or incorrect. It switches depending on whether you are emphasising the entity as a whole or the individual members. Here's a couple of uses of the collective noun "dozen":

How many eggs will you buy?
I think a dozen is enough. (Singular, not emphasising the individual eggs)

How many of your friends will come with you?
I think a dozen are coming. (Plural, to emphasise the individuality of the friends).

In American English sports teams are usually treated as singular, but this is still applied inconsistently. For instance, which of the following would you say?

The Patriots have won four straight games.
The Patriots has won four straight games.

If you're treating the Patriots as a singular, it ought to be the latter, but you will never hear that. It sounds especially weird since "patriots" is normally a plural noun, but even without that it sounds odd: "The Heat has won four straight games".
"The Patriots" is a group of players. New England HAS won four straight games. The discrepancy is that in America every team is City Nickname, where as in England, the nicknames are informal .

The Red Devils have won four straight games.
Manchester United has won four straight games.

It makes even less sense when you're talking about national teams. England are playing France tomorrow. When you talk about the country and not the national football club, do you still use England like that? Or do you say, England is having a problem with riots? Why is the football team use of England any different than talking about the country?
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08-18-2011 , 11:35 AM
No I would say England ARE having a problem with the riots, Manchester Utd HAVE won 4 games in a row and New England HAVE won 4 games in a row. That is proper use of the English language!
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08-18-2011 , 02:25 PM
AND IT'S CALLED FOOTBALL BECAUSE YOU KICK IT
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08-18-2011 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack of Arcades
AND IT'S CALLED FOOTBALL BECAUSE YOU KICK IT
... + and play it with your feet as the 'main' rule is of course a start!
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08-18-2011 , 02:48 PM
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AND IT'S CALLED FOOTBALL BECAUSE YOU KICK IT
I thought that was because you throw it?
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08-18-2011 , 02:50 PM
No that's why they call it "throwball," although it's officially known as Handegg. Haven't you ever heard of the NHL?
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08-18-2011 , 03:06 PM
the kicker and the punter must be proud of themselves since the name seems to give them more importance than all the other guys combined.
Its like football being called handball because the keeper can use his hand, that would get properly mocked at.
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08-18-2011 , 04:27 PM
People didn't get my post, I guess. My point was: people in different areas say stuff that sounds weird to you, but both ways are fine.
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08-18-2011 , 04:37 PM
On some level it's always funny to me when Americans tell the English that their English is incorrect.

In seriousness though, w/e, it's not like "dialects" are uncommon in most language groups.
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08-18-2011 , 05:27 PM
Yeah dialects are funny.

I instinctually call any free kick in a team's own half a 'free out' and in the opposition half a 'free in' but those are not commonly used outside Ireland.
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08-18-2011 , 05:43 PM
**** me ref! That's a free in/out!

The most used phrase of a GAA fan.
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08-20-2011 , 08:01 PM
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BRUSSELS — The Belgian top-flight encounter between Germinal Beerschot and Lierse on Friday was halted by the referee after Lierse goalkeeper Eiji Kawashima was taunted with chants about the Fukushima disaster.

Lierse had gone a goal up when visiting Beerschot fans threw a projectile in the direction of Japanese international 'keeper Kawashima before insulting him with chants of "Kawashima-Fukushima! Kawashima-Fukushima!" the Belga agency reported.

Following protests by Kawashima, the referee decided to bring play to a halt for several minutes until order was restored.

The match ended in a 1-1 draw, but Kawashima, 28, left the pitch at full-time in tears, and spoke of his anger at the chants.

"I am prepared to forget about a lot of things, but not that. It is not remotely funny," he said.
Stay classy Beerschot!
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08-20-2011 , 09:10 PM
many many gunshots were fired during a game here in mexico just a few minutes ago. It went on for like 2 whole minutes. It looks like it happened right outside of the stadium. our country's reputation is already bad enough ffs.


heres the best video i could find:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JykfcoOPl8

Last edited by Cruizn63; 08-20-2011 at 09:23 PM.
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08-20-2011 , 10:00 PM
Holy ****....that's nuts.
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