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03-14-2010 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Macdaddy34
Kansas
Yeah it's Kansas. They must just send the play-in winner to a random region.
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03-14-2010 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Barretboy
what's so lol about that?
Trying to make a subjective determination of whether bubble team x's press is better than bubble team y's zone defense would be even more loltastic and prone to dumb biases than just trying to determine who has the best resume.
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03-14-2010 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RacersEdge
booby knight is not as smart as I thought he would be as an analyst.
He's pretty good during games but yah that was a nonsensical babble. Why bother playing games before February Bob?
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03-14-2010 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MacGuyV
He's pretty good during games but yah that was a nonsensical babble. Why bother playing games before February Bob?
He's insanely good during games. Dude. knows. basketball.
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03-14-2010 , 07:24 PM
Well - now Jay Bilas is saying Cornell should be a 5 seed...maybe not as smart as I thought...lol
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03-14-2010 , 07:25 PM
All I know is that Villanova - Baylor in the Sweet 16 is going to be sick.
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03-14-2010 , 07:25 PM
Bigger questions IMO:
how is Marquette, ND & UT 6 seeds? that's like the most off seed line ever.
How is Sam houston st a 13?
How is temple a 5?
How is Florida a 10?
SDSU an 11?
Wouldn't of had an issue leaving UTEP out if you are punishing VT & MSU for sucky OOC resumes.

What I like:
Gonzaga an 8. I had them at a 7 but at least they didnt get a 6.
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03-14-2010 , 07:26 PM
Bilas can't actually believe that Cornell should be a five seed, can he? They have exactly one win over tournament teams, and that's versus 16 seed Vermont, so it shouldn't even count.
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03-14-2010 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by findingneema
Minnesota is 6 points/100 possessions better than UI, that's huge, not a scheduling artifact. UI lost to Minn at home. UI is 4-6 in the last 10 and 2-6 in the last 8. Minn is 7-3 and 5-3. You're trying to nitpick with injuries, but those are tiny points. Who has a better body of work? Minnesota. Who would be favored in a game tomorrow? Minnesota.
you bother to look at who illinois played in those last x games?
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03-14-2010 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dudd
Bilas can't actually believe that Cornell should be a five seed, can he? They have exactly one win over tournament teams, and that's versus 16 seed Vermont, so it shouldn't even count.
And they lost to Penn, who is one of the worst teams of all the 347 teams in D-1. Talk about bad losses.
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03-14-2010 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Dudd
Bilas can't actually believe that Cornell should be a five seed, can he? They have exactly one win over tournament teams, and that's versus 16 seed Vermont, so it shouldn't even count.
He's trying to shade the line so he can get a great price on Temple.
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03-14-2010 , 07:28 PM
all these people are talking about 'who did you play'. What the **** does it matter who you played if you LOST THE GAME? That's what tilts me the most. The committee would have rather you played a better team and lost than playing a worse team and won. It makes no sense.
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03-14-2010 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bills217
I agree that it is really close, which is why I am so emphatic about why the actual GAMES, you know, HEAD-TO-HEAD ON NEUTRAL COURTS TWO DAYS AGO GAMES, maybe should actually MATTER! Revolutionary I know.
Make it as emphatic as you want, but it's still only one out of 30 games, and putting it in caps doesn't make a difference.
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03-14-2010 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bills217
lol @ using RPI and SOS. If Syracuse played the weakest SOS should we have left them out?
depends, would they pass the eye test?
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03-14-2010 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by findingneema
Minnesota is 6 points/100 possessions better than UI, that's huge, not a scheduling artifact. UI lost to Minn at home. UI is 4-6 in the last 10 and 2-6 in the last 8. Minn is 7-3 and 5-3. You're trying to nitpick with injuries, but those are tiny points. Who has a better body of work? Minnesota. Who would be favored in a game tomorrow? Minnesota.
It is a scheduling artifact
see link here
during conference play, Minny went 0.02 better than Illinois in efficiency playing a weaker schedule. Minnesota lost by 25+ twice in their last 6 games.
And, if we go insanely low sample size finish to the game, Illinois beat a #4 seed soundly and barely lost in 2OTs to a #2 seed. Minnesota beat a #5 that was missing a key player. Then, they beat the #4 Purdue, who was without Hummel. Then, they just got crushed in the final game. They did not belong on the same court.

Last edited by MyTurn2Raise; 03-14-2010 at 07:34 PM.
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03-14-2010 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bills217
lol @ using RPI and SOS. If Syracuse played the weakest SOS should we have left them out?

As far as computer rankings go, MSU is higher in KenPom.

I agree that it is really close, which is why I am so emphatic about why the actual GAMES, you know, HEAD-TO-HEAD ON NEUTRAL COURTS TWO DAYS AGO GAMES, maybe should actually MATTER! Revolutionary I know.
lol @ using RPI? Kenpom can be more lol than RPI when you allow it to account for beating up cupcake teams. At least Sagarin doesn't allow that to count quite so much.

Also, that's a silly argument on SOS. A team can overcome an awful OOC schedule by dominiating in conference which some teams did & MSU did not. 9-7 with most games from SECWest which is like equiv to the pac10.

As far as the win the other day, MSU ran insanely hot in that game like the others they have been playing. If you factor in the home loss to UF & the neutral court, it's barely an advantage to MSU. Like I said, I have no problem with MSU or Florida..but to be in outrage about this is silly when the committee failed in so many worse ways.
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03-14-2010 , 07:30 PM


heres my completely off the top of my head picks. next ill probably do some actual research, change some things, and then look at how much worse that bracket ends up being then this one.
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03-14-2010 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TruFloridaGator
Bigger questions IMO:
how is Marquette, ND & UT 6 seeds? that's like the most off seed line ever. Marquette should have been a 7 or 8, ND an 8 or 9, Tenn a 4 or 5
How is Sam houston st a 13? no idea, are they a 16 or something?
How is temple a 5? 4 at worst
How is Florida a 10? shouldnt be in at all
SDSU an 11? 9 or 10
Wouldn't of had an issue leaving UTEP out if you are punishing VT & MSU for sucky OOC resumes.

What I like:
Gonzaga an 8. I had them at a 7 but at least they didnt get a 6.
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03-14-2010 , 07:31 PM
Yeah, big shocker that Va Tech got cut...the most impressive thing they did non-conference was lose to Temple. If you want to make the NCAA tourney, try winning your first round tournament game vs Miami next time.
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03-14-2010 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bugstud
you bother to look at who illinois played in those last x games?
Sure. One of them was Minnesota, at home. They win that game, they might just get in. Or any of those games, just one of them. Still, you can't dispute body of work and favorite tomorrow. GIVE IT UP.
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03-14-2010 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Barretboy
all these people are talking about 'who did you play'. What the **** does it matter who you played if you LOST THE GAME? That's what tilts me the most. The committee would have rather you played a better team and lost than playing a worse team and won. It makes no sense.
Couldn't agree more. Here's what should happen:

Schedule tough and you have nothing to lose. Win and be rewarded or lose and don't get punished. That's all the incentive you need to schedule tough.

Pretty simple.

Instead people in tv studios as well as committee rooms apparently use SOS in isolation like it matters when all you do is lose, so you're rewarded for losing. It's ******ed.
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03-14-2010 , 07:33 PM
lol it's gonna be hilarious when BYU comes out as like an 8-point fave against Florida in a 7/10 game when some of the 5/12 games are going to be right around PK
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03-14-2010 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by findingneema
Sure. One of them was Minnesota, at home. They win that game, they might just get in. Or any of those games, just one of them. Still, you can't dispute body of work and favorite tomorrow. GIVE IT UP.
if you want to use the results crutch, illinois nearly/should have/blah blah beat osu, whereas minny wasnt in contention?
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03-14-2010 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by brendoh
this basically.

I'm pissed that duke > SU because I wanted to stay away from KU's half of the bracket.
I tell you what brother, KU got dealt a TOUGH bracket, but they still should make it to the FF, so I totally agree I did want to avoid them if at all possible
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03-14-2010 , 07:36 PM
They need to re-evaluate the way they determine SOS. If we're talking about bubble teams, then the difference between playing someone ranked 160 and 320 is fairly miniscule, but in terms of it's impact on SOS, it's significant. I think any team rated 151 or worse should just count the same for SOS. OTOH, I guess it rewards teams smart enough to take advantage of this flaw and schedule more teams in the 100-200 range.
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