I would suggest that I be allowed to live tonight, and a seer peek me, but even that's a bad plan because the vig could easily have different ideas and peeking a player who's about to die is really bad.

At this point seer(s) need to focus on people who are in the middle — some people think they're wolves, but they don't seem to be on the verge of being lynched. And we're really going to have to finfd the neutrals. That will be harder because they don't know who the wolves are or vice versa, so there won't be interactions to track. Once we find one, it will be easier.

Angel needs to rand protection between fanmail and whoever else looks like a clear nightkill target. Probably at least 50% fanmail, though — we've seen wolves really want him dead.

Wolves, I'm not gonna tell you how to deal with that.

g-bebe,

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Booker Woodfox All-Star
chim17 Poisoner
CPHoya Mason
Dar0 Vanilla
dkgojackets Even Night Seer
Dyenimator Vanilla
insanity31 Healer
Khaos4k Fake Roleblocker
Loretta8 Bodyguard
Richard Tanner Vanilla
tweedybirdd Vanilla
VayaConDios Vanilla
vyk07 Vanilla

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AcTiOnJaCsOn Double Voter
BASaint Odd Night Seer
BJLTNYK Even Night Vig
nutshot2 Odd Night Roleblocker
Pwn_Master Bodyguard
Whitegoose Even Night Roleblocker

Votes as of post 5101
Night in 00:51
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
6	Slighted	ASPoker8 (21), Chilltown (69), fanmail (50), kidcolin (44), Nofear3838 (36), vixticator (59)
5	atakdog	goofyballer (51), hotwings18 (24), ItsRainingMen (40), mjw0586 (25), Steroid Boy (42)
5	kidcolin	atakdog (110), schu_22 (39), TJayBird (6), Tumaterminator (65), zdye724 (32)
2	Etats360	Etats360 (23), Hold'em 07 (18)
2	Hold'em 07	g-bebe (6), Geddy Lee (4)
2	TJayBird	Lin (27), Slighted (114)
1	g-bebe	Auger (4)
1	zdye724	sylar (5)
1	unvote	Nozecandy (44)
0	not voting

I'm here, I see the wagons, gonna go look at their recent posts then vote.

I noticed that as well.

But then I realized that it's probably about 75% that I don't actually have the power it says I have, so that's why I'm not fighting harder. And damn, do I wish I could discuss that in more detail because imo it's pretty funny.

kidcolin because it didnt get pick up on the counter and i'd rather save atak

Nofear, you around tonight?

ffs atak you of all people should know never to ask a seer to peak you

if the wolves have a tracker then what?

why is etats voting himself

people need to consolidate wagons sooner rather than later... so we can have an idea of whats going on..

because he's a tool.

Neutrals: If you have a seer, then you may know whether there's a well-hidden wolf. If there is, I suggest that your targeting villagers needs to be tempered by that. A single well hidden wolf can win this game, even if the numbers suggest the village is winning (which they do imo).

If your win condition allows for both you and the neutrals to win, I respectfully suggest that you lean toward the village because (in my opinion, but there you are) we've played better overall than the wolves and deserve it slightly more. (But my guess is that this isn't the case — it's a bad mechanic.)

fwiw, if I was running one of these games I would be tempted to go real hard on banning players from playing who have done stupid **** like vote themselves or get themselves mod-killed etc etc

so if we are between atak and KC why does slighted still have 6 votes?

atak coming off super villagery right now. might just be his epic experience level, but I don't want to lynch him.

as usual

it has to be KC or a random cfd...

So I didn't. Though in this case it's about as close as I can come. I always argue hard that no villager should ever want to be peeked, he should just clear himself, but I really don't think I can in this particular game.

And anyway, my assumption has been that fanmail is the seer, so I wasn't worried about a tracker. With my having my doubts about fanmail, I agree it looks like a worse idea. (I'll point out that usually a tracker role finds out whom a person uses his own night action on, not who uses one on him, but that;s a minor nit; overall you're right.)

I need an angel again tonight, but consider some of the other claimers a small % of the time as well to lolwolves.

Thoughts on wagons? I also wanted to ask if hoya had any reads or anything interesting to say that could be helpful to the village that you guys discussed outside the thread.

Yeah, kidcolin

wtf?

masons, br0

This is correct, even if fanmail isn't necessarily village.

Fan, if you're neutral please consider what I said above.

I don't know that they were LITERALLY masons, were they?